Pd-list February 2005

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Solved - GEM on Windows XP
by Phillip Stearns 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

OK... I removed the -lib... everything is working. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Help - GEM on Windows XP
by Phillip Stearns 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

I downloaded the gem-bin-doc-0.90.0.zip file and have follewed the instructions on the install. Everything seems to be in the proper place (i.e. Gem.dll is in the extra folder and all documents are where they ought to be), however, when I attempt to open any of the gem help files or create any gem objects, I get the error "cannot create". It is as though PD is not loading gem. I don't know how to use the "Startup..." fuction to load binaries on next start up or if this is even the right place to manually tell PD where the Gem.dll is. I have tried entering things like -lib c:/pd/gem/Gem.dll (which is the location of the extracted files) and -lib c:/pd/extra/Gem.dll (which is the location of the installed file). Nothing seems to work. I don't know if this has anything to do with case sensitivity either. On another note, I have gotten PD to recognize the pmpd.dll with no problem what so ever. So putting the .dll file in the extras seems to be on the right track. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -Phil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

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Re: saving/loading contents of multiple $0-arrays
by Michael Berkowski 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

Greetings again, So, I seem to have solved my own problem pretty satisfactorily. It can't be loadbanged, but requires only one number box to be manually set. I can live with that. Thanks all. mb michael-AT-berkowski-DOT-net http://www.berkowski.net/

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Re: [PD] flash/pd
by Chris McCormick 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 05:40:02AM +0100, pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: > Message: 2 > From: lluis <lluis(a)artefacte.org> > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] flash/pd > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:21:43 +0100 > > On Tuesday 22 February 2005 22:34, Pall Thayer wrote: > > Hi, > > You can do PHP to PD without using OSC. > > > > $fp = fsockopen("hostname",port); > > > > will open a socket connection to a netreceive in a pd patch. Rather use > > udp? Then: > > > > $fp = fsockopen("udp://hostname", port); > > > > fputs($fp,"message;\n"); > > > > will write "message" to the PD netreceive (note the ";\n" line > > terminator. Actually I think it's enough to have just ";"). > > > > But I don't know how you plan to make your pages receive data unless you > > make them update every 1/2 second or so. However that could cause > > problems with slider positions if it updates while a user is moving one. > > Tricky. > > yes the trick is :: > > in another frame, never send the </HTML> end tag and just write every time > thinks like this :: > > parent.frames.main.slider1.moveby(0, 50); > > the browser never stops to receive data, just need some way to know if the > connection is up. Hi, Even better: http://sastools.com/b2/post/79394137 or: http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/iframe.html Both of which don't have to keep the socket open. Best regards, Chris. ------------------- chris(a)mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx

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Re: [PD] saving/loading contents of multiple $0-arrays
by Michael Berkowski 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

Modularity is a significant issue for me though, and I'm looking to keep everything bundled within the abstraction. I started off with the method you described, but the modularity thing stopped me. Thanks anyway, Michael Berkowski michael-AT-berkowski-DOT-net http://www.berkowski.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "hard off" <hard.off(a)gmail.com> To: "Michael Berkowski" <berk0081(a)tc.umn.edu> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [PD] saving/loading contents of multiple $0-arrays > it's not an elegant way, > > but why not just build a subpatch off the parent patch with 12 tables > in it? abstraction 1 loads into tables 0-3, abstraction 2 into tables > 4-7...etc > > that's what i'd do, but then again i'm not too fussed with "tidy code" > or any of that stuff. >

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saving/loading contents of multiple $0-arrays
by Michael Berkowski 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

Greetings everyone, Looking though the list archive, I can't seem to find info on what I'm trying to achieve, though I am almost sure I've read it before. I'm building an abstraction which holds 4 graphical arrays to be used as transfer functions for my waveshaping abstraction. User draws the upper half of the function, and it is loaded symmetrically into another table of 2x length. The idea is to have 4 or 8 or 12 tables immediately ready to load into my waveshaper with only a "set" message. Using multiple instances of this abstraction, after saving all the arrays' contents to files, I would ideally like to be able to load the tables from disk automatically, rather than to manually open several files. The problem, of course, is that the $0 won't usually be the same, so I can't generate filenames that way. Does anyone have an elegant solution to manage saved contents of many arrays? I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks. Michael Berkowski michael-AT-berkowski-DOT-net http://www.berkowski.net/

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Re: [PD] complete installer for osx
by Ivan Franco 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

Hello Hans, list! From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> > The latest OSX installer on my page includes Gem and PDP. Gem should > work since its statically linked. You'll need to install all of the > needed static libs to get that PDP version to work. Did you meant Pd-0.38-0test4HCS1.dmg at http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html ? Ivan

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midiin and sysexin on OS X
by Niklas Saers 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

Hi, on loading the reference manual's help-midi.pd, I am told midiin and sysexin only works with Linux. What is the equivalent for OS X? If there are none, is support for MIDI in the works for OS X? Cheers Nik

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Re: [PD] very much a work in progress..
by Mathieu Bouchard 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, John Nowak wrote: > >> http://johnnowak.com/n-syntax.html > Essentially, it is. :-) I posted just for fun. I suppose you wanted to reply to the list but it was a mistake. (If that's not the case, just tell me) > Well, there really *aren't* any textual dataflow languages as it > stands. I've searched quite a bit and I've never seen any of them. (If > you know of any, PLEASE inform me!) I think that alone is a reason to > go for it. AFAIK, the theory-oriented experiments in dataflow languages tend to work in a way quite different from PureData. For example, there are no active inlets, and no long-term state, so you have to send exactly one value to each inlet before something happens, and if you send more than one value to the same inlet it's a collision (not allowed). There are a few possible variations on the theme. Anyway: I recall that Raphael A Finkel's "Advanced Programming Language Design" (or a title like that) mentioned dataflow languages called POST and SISAL, and I recall they were textual. (disclaimer: I read that book in 1997). Apart from that, there is a language design called CSP = Concurrent Sequential Processes, which is about doing parallel imperative programming using message pipes (and not with shared memory, so mutexes are not required here). These are the most dataflow of otherwise "ordinary" languages. They don't usually have inlets and outlets but have similar concepts: mailboxes, and pointers to them, respectively. I think I recall Erlang is the most prominent example of that kind of thing. (Don't confuse it with CPS = Continuation Passing Style). IMHO, what I prefer is not the languages that fit purely in a paradigm, but those that are impure. Although this may seem clear, this requires explanation: Java is a quite impure OOP system, but is so for sloppy reasons in a way that makes it rigid, as the non-OOP part is weakly done, not integrated, and despite those problems, completely unavoidable, so you have those problems in your face all along. Ruby may be more thoroughly OOP than most others, but it is also more thoroughly something else (a more "functional" style) than most others, and those concepts are quite integrated together. CommonLISP is firstmost an hybrid of imperative "structured programming" and functional programming, but it includes well-integrated extensions to the base language, that implement: OOP, logic(backtracking), and _dataflow_. PureData itself is somewhat of an hybrid between a dataflow language and an imperative OOP language. I wouldn't know exactly where it stands in terms of flexibility, but I have the impression it is quite rigid, given how often complicated patches are required to do simple things, and how often people need externals, and how often people need to _write_ externals. If we all love PureData so much, then why doesn't it get a good nudge in the proper direction? Because writing abstractions _ought_ to be better than writing externals, but unfortunately it's not the case often enough, due to the difficulty in getting things right, or getting them to work at all. _____________________________________________________________________ Mathieu Bouchard -=- Montréal QC Canada -=- http://artengine.ca/matju

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Re: qlist reading txt files
by Alexandre Matheson 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

I have been looking at a qlist sequence written for the polysampler.pd in the audio examples and the add command is completely droped and there are ;'s instead of ,'s. still doesn't make my .txt file work. I'll keep at it and repost if I'm still stuck. -- Alexandre Matheson Concordia University Electroacoustic student freelance boom operator

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