Pd-list November 2005

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Re: [PD] PD Documentation/Curriculum Meeting
by Koray Tahiroglu 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

Hello Ben, I think it is a good idea to discuss and hear other experiences about how PD should be thought both in workshops and in long term courses. I have been organizing PD workshops in Helsinki since last year and I just had the last one during the last week. I placed the exercises and also students works at http://www.puredata.org/Members/korayt/ Today I will update the site with the other students' works from previous workshops. We couldn't really have time to talk about this during the Piksel, I remember the email you sent about the same subject when you were in Helsinki and at that time I was not in Helsinki, so we couldn't really talk about this, but I will be online on Tuesday. best, Koray. ------------------------ M.Koray Tahiroglu Media Lab, University of Art and Design Helsinki, TaiK Hameentie 135C 00560 Helsinki Finland http://mlab.uiah.fi/~korayt/ http://purenoise.uiah.fi:8000/ tel: +358 40 754 8449 fax: +358 9 75630 555 > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:38:56 -0500 > From: "B. Bogart" <ben(a)ekran.org> > Subject: [PD] PD Documentation/Curriculum Meeting > To: PD list <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Message-ID: <437E5800.6090400(a)ekran.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello all, > > I'd like to set up a meeting for the discussion around the PD > documentation. This is an especially interesting time considering the > max vs pd thread on this list. > > Documentation includes: > * Workshops (PD curriculum) > * Help Patches (PDDP) > * Manuals > * How PD relates to networks and physical media > > Anything else that serves as newbie access to the world of Pure-Data+. > > When? > ----- > > Tuesday November 22nd @ > 9.00 Pacific Time > 12.00 Eastern Time > 17.00 UTC > 18.00 Central European > > Please let us know if you would like to make it but can't do that > date. > Miller can you make it? > > Where? > ------ > #dataflow on irc.freenode.net > > Who should attend? > ------------------ > > Anyone who has taught a PD workshop. > Anyone who has attended a workshop that they know could be improved. > Anyone who would like to develop standards around how documentation > works. > Anyhow who wants to contribute to documentation or coding to make > documentation better (pddplink etc..) > > Agenda: > ------- > * What steps have been made? > - Discussion about the wiki pages below. > > - Philosophy > - How PD should be taught. > - Rules for developing tutorials/workshops/curriculum > > - PDDP changes > - Template for help-patches (ready) > - Template for all_about (unchanged) > - Template for tutorials (new) > - Template for GUI elements > > - Programming (overlaps with pd-dev discussions) > - Meta data for patches/tutorials/etc.. > - "Help" menu > > - Structure of a future wiki to separate the different aspects > of the > project. > > This list is a starting point that runs over many of the Documentation > issues. I don't think we'll figure out a lot of these things, just > casting the net and trolling for ideas. There are other issues not > mentioned here either. > > Required Reading: (Check out before you come!) > ----------------- > * https://puredata.org/docs/workshops/FrontPage/ > * https://puredata.org/Members/bbogart/PDWorkshops/ > * https://puredata.org/Members/bbogart/PDDocumentationStructure/ > > Thanks all, hope to see you there. > > b. > >

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Re: [PD-dev] msd and gcc4
by Georg Holzmann 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

Hallo! I don't really understand your compiler output (no french), but I also had problems with templates and gcc3.4/gcc4.0. You can see the changes here: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.4/changes.html Maybe it helps ... LG Georg -- Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch? NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie

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PD Documentation/Curriculum Meeting
by B. Bogart 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

Hello all, I'd like to set up a meeting for the discussion around the PD documentation. This is an especially interesting time considering the max vs pd thread on this list. Documentation includes: * Workshops (PD curriculum) * Help Patches (PDDP) * Manuals * How PD relates to networks and physical media Anything else that serves as newbie access to the world of Pure-Data+. When? ----- Tuesday November 22nd @ 9.00 Pacific Time 12.00 Eastern Time 17.00 UTC 18.00 Central European Please let us know if you would like to make it but can't do that date. Miller can you make it? Where? ------ #dataflow on irc.freenode.net Who should attend? ------------------ Anyone who has taught a PD workshop. Anyone who has attended a workshop that they know could be improved. Anyone who would like to develop standards around how documentation works. Anyhow who wants to contribute to documentation or coding to make documentation better (pddplink etc..) Agenda: ------- * What steps have been made? - Discussion about the wiki pages below. - Philosophy - How PD should be taught. - Rules for developing tutorials/workshops/curriculum - PDDP changes - Template for help-patches (ready) - Template for all_about (unchanged) - Template for tutorials (new) - Template for GUI elements - Programming (overlaps with pd-dev discussions) - Meta data for patches/tutorials/etc.. - "Help" menu - Structure of a future wiki to separate the different aspects of the project. This list is a starting point that runs over many of the Documentation issues. I don't think we'll figure out a lot of these things, just casting the net and trolling for ideas. There are other issues not mentioned here either. Required Reading: (Check out before you come!) ----------------- * https://puredata.org/docs/workshops/FrontPage/ * https://puredata.org/Members/bbogart/PDWorkshops/ * https://puredata.org/Members/bbogart/PDDocumentationStructure/ Thanks all, hope to see you there. b.

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[BUG][alsamidi] no alsamidi init with -alsamidi switch
by federico 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

launching pd with the -alsamidi switch has no effect. in order to let puredata open the sequencer port, I have to click Media->ALSA-MIDI and click Apply or Ok, then pd status window will print: Opened Alsa Client 128 in:1 out:1 this can be a bug or a feature, but maybe it is logical, if I set the -alsamidi switch, I *want* MIDI ports opened. also, is there a switch or something to connect these sequencer ports directly to some other ports? (are we planning to insert lash support?) -- ciao Federico

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IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio
by thewade 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

Hello pd and lau lists, I am having trouble figuring out how to actually change the irq's of specific devices. I read the ardour thread pointed to by http://puredata.info/community/pdwiki/Optimize and the linux hardware stability guide (http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-hw2.html), and I now know how to find the current IRQ's used on my machine, and I also know what they SHOULD be, but I still do not know how to actually change them. My BIOS only allows me to disable my touchpad, parellel port (disabled) and IR port (disabled). My goals with this project are to have a faster audio machine, and hopefully to not have to disable acpi in order to run linux. I am not sure of the motherboard in this laptop, and the laptop distributor will not return my emails. (If someone can help me to figure that out I would be grateful! The host bridge is an SiS 755 - is that the motherboard or just the IDE controller?) >From the ardour thread (the Mark Knecht part) > Here"s the order of interrupt priority on a non-APIC machine: > > 0, 1, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 > > 0 is the highest priority > 7 is the lowest priority my irq's: cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 15819314 XT-PIC timer 1: 15630 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 3: 0 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb3 4: 0 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb2 5: 3769675 XT-PIC ehci_hcd:usb1, yenta, yenta, hdsp, ohci1394, eth0 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 10: 13339 XT-PIC SiS SI7012, SiS SI7013 Modem 12: 9093 XT-PIC i8042 14: 39815 XT-PIC ide0 15: 141222 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 ERR: 1 What I would like to have: cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 15819314 XT-PIC timer 1: 15630 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 3: 0 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb3 4: 0 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb2 5: 3769675 XT-PIC ehci_hcd:usb1 7: ??? XT-PIC eth0 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 9: ??? XT-PIC ohci1394 10: ??? XT-PIC yenta, yenta, hdsp (I think this is both the cardbus and the multiface?) 11: 13339 XT-PIC SiS SI7012 12: 9093 XT-PIC i8042 13: ??? XT-PIC SiS SI7013 Modem 14: 39815 XT-PIC ide0 15: 141222 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 ERR: 1 The acpi problem is that the system hangs (with acpi on) when fedora tried to activate eth0. Thank you for your help? I would open my laptop but I doubt that there is much I can do in there. Probably not a whole lot of shuffling I can do in a laptop. -thewade

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Re: [PD] PD Documentation/Curriculum Meeting
by daniel kosenko 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

hi list, Ben. is it possible to be a passive attendee? best regards daniel . ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bogart" <ben(a)ekran.org> To: "PD list" <pd-list(a)iem.at> Subject: [PD] PD Documentation/Curriculum Meeting Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:38:56 -0500 > > Hello all, > > I'd like to set up a meeting for the discussion around the PD > documentation. This is an especially interesting time considering the > max vs pd thread on this list. > > Documentation includes: > * Workshops (PD curriculum) > * Help Patches (PDDP) > * Manuals > * How PD relates to networks and physical media > > Anything else that serves as newbie access to the world of Pure-Data+. > > When? > ----- > > Tuesday November 22nd @ > 9.00 Pacific Time > 12.00 Eastern Time > 17.00 UTC > 18.00 Central European > > Please let us know if you would like to make it but can't do that date. > Miller can you make it? > > Where? > ------ > #dataflow on irc.freenode.net > > Who should attend? > ------------------ > > Anyone who has taught a PD workshop. > Anyone who has attended a workshop that they know could be improved. > Anyone who would like to develop standards around how documentation works. > Anyhow who wants to contribute to documentation or coding to make > documentation better (pddplink etc..) > > Agenda: > ------- > * What steps have been made? > - Discussion about the wiki pages below. > > - Philosophy > - How PD should be taught. > - Rules for developing tutorials/workshops/curriculum > > - PDDP changes > - Template for help-patches (ready) > - Template for all_about (unchanged) > - Template for tutorials (new) > - Template for GUI elements > > - Programming (overlaps with pd-dev discussions) > - Meta data for patches/tutorials/etc.. > - "Help" menu > > - Structure of a future wiki to separate the different aspects of the > project. > > This list is a starting point that runs over many of the Documentation > issues. I don't think we'll figure out a lot of these things, just > casting the net and trolling for ideas. There are other issues not > mentioned here either. > > Required Reading: (Check out before you come!) > ----------------- > * https://puredata.org/docs/workshops/FrontPage/ > * https://puredata.org/Members/bbogart/PDWorkshops/ > * https://puredata.org/Members/bbogart/PDDocumentationStructure/ > > Thanks all, hope to see you there. > > b. << signature.asc >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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dyn~ problem
by Brad Kligerman 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

Hi all: I trying to put together some dynamically generated patches, so I'm checking out dyn~. At first, it wasn't loading correctly (FC4), so I rebuilt flext & dynext and now it seems to load fine. => dyn~ 0.1.1 - dynamic object management, (C)2003-2005 Thomas Grill But when I try to load dyn~-help.pd, for example, the [dyn~] object is dashed and I get this message:=> dyn~ 0 1 0 1 > ... couldn't create etc... > Am I missing something here?? ::Brad

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Re: [PD] scrolllist 0.1
by daniel kosenko 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

hi Yves. a really cozy one =). makes a pretty couple with [playlist] best regards daniel . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yves Degoyon" <ydegoyon(a)free.fr> To: pd-announce(a)iem.at, "pd-list" <pd-list(a)iem.at> Subject: [PD] scrolllist 0.1 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:51:22 +0100 > > hola, > > here is an handy object to display some text in a patch, > scroll it, select some items, > sounds it would be more reasonable now to work > with text in the global fear watching times... > with too much power given to the images... > > http://ydegoyon.free.fr/scrolllist.tar.gz > ( only for linux here but would be grateful if someone would > compile it on osx, > windows, i forgot that brand since 2000 ) > > enjoy!! > saludos, > sevy > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Re: [PD] max msp vs pd
by Chuckk Hubbard 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

One thing I haven't been able to find in Max is PD-style data structures and scalars. Do they exist? With drawing instructions? This is the main reason I have been creating my sequencer with PD instead of my school's computers with Max (also because I can install PD on my flash drive). I saw "data structures" in a Max tutorial, but it had nothing to do with the scalars of PD, and I couldn't find any tutorials that did. None of the people I know who use Max have heard of such a thing. Is it there with a different name? -Chuckk Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:56:19 -0400 > From: Matthew Williams <mwilliams994(a)nc.rr.com> > Subject: [PD] max msp vs pd > To: pd list <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Message-ID: <9e6d76d4475046ac709138ced5128266(a)nc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Ok i'm curious .... why would someone spend 400 dollars on max when you > can get pd for free. Is it because of the ability to make plugin's > using pluggo. But can't you make plug-ins from pd as well. I was > going to buy max but i came across pd and thought, "this is great..max > for free." Am i wrong. And yes i read about the differences .. but > they don't justify 400 dollars. > > wondering, matt > > > > >

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Re: [PD] scrolllist 0.1
by day 5 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:22 PM, Yves Degoyon wrote: >>> http://ydegoyon.free.fr/scrolllist.tar.gz >>> ( only for linux here but would be grateful if someone would compile >>> it on osx, > > didn't say it would not work, > just send back your bianries, amigo... Of course - for convenience's sake I have linked it externally so to not clutter up your mailbox ! http://www.csounds.com/akbari/scrolllist.pd_darwin.tgz again, very nice work ! ./d5

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