Pd-list October 2005

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Data deletion
by Chuckk Hubbard 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

I've been trying for a few weeks to get my preset memory set up just right. I got it right just tonight, and then it disappeared. It happened before, several days ago: I did a bunch of work, saved it, saved it, saved it, then tried it out, and it didn't work; but when I reopened it all of the synth module objects were missing along with half of the other pd-objects. "JInoprst.pd" is the main program. It should have 8 copies of " JIvoicenoprst.pd" right at the top in the middle. The presets canvas should have a lot more than just those 3 templates. This time, tonight, I made separate copies as I was going, "Copy of JInoprst.pd", "Copy of JInoprst(2).pd" etc. When I was finished, it finally worked correctly (it loads the actual wave after loading all of the parameters, so that it saves any changes you make drawing the wave). Then, suddenly, next time I opened it, all of the connections and half of the pd-objects were gone from the main screen. Looking at the file in a text editor, it appears to still have it all there, but it doesn't show up. It happened originally on Mac OSX, the version that wasn't working, and tonight it was on WinXP, the version that was working. I opened the backup copies I had made in case of this happening again, and it did the same thing to them. On PC, I'm using 0.38.3, on Mac I don't recall which version I was using at the time. Anyone know what's causing my work to be erased? (apologies for several existing bugs- it routinely gives me the error message about float not being valid for value, I haven't bothered tracking it down yet) -Chuckk -- "It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

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PDContainer 0.2
by Georg Holzmann 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Hallo! I reworked the containers now a little bit and it is time for a release 0.2 ;) CHANGELOG: - it is possible to store pointers now in all Containers (as keys, values, ...) so that could be maybe of use for the pd graphical datastructures - h_map: IMPORTANT: the [add ( method has changed !!! now it resets the value,if the key is already in the map ! (this should not break patches I hope !) - compiles with gcc4 now (templates reworked) - huge memory leak fixed !!! - some bug fixes - some internal changes I compiled it also for linux+win and you can find binaries+source in cvs or at: http://grh.mur.at/software/pdcontainer.html LG Georg

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pd jack / usb problems
by Greg 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

greetings list, When I run PD under linux using an edirol UA25 and Jack, I get some pretty nasty noises every time i switch windows. When I do the same thing in Windows (sans jack), I don't get this problem. I've tried running pd with alsa but that doesn't work. I do have a 16 bit pci soundcard installed. Would removing that help? Or how would I edit my alsa configuration to remove the PCI card and just use USB? the alsa configurator program doesn't make any mention of the USB device.

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arraycopy order of creation problem
by Enrique Erne 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

dear list I assume that this causes a crash of a friends pd 0.39 on linux. [loadbang] | [copy b( | [arraycopy a1] if the array is created after the arraycopy I get an error (os x pd 0.39-0 maxlib 1.5.2) arraycopy: no array "a1" (error 0) It's a minor problem but may help somebody .. must arrays be created before any objects doing action on it on loadbang? thanks Enrique

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Free software art on Kuro5hin.org
by Mathieu Bouchard 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

Free software art on Kuro5hin.org Excerpt from article: << My final example is Pure Data. Unlike the previous two examples, Pure Data is not a textual language, but it is just as open ended. In Pure Data you create 'patches' rather than programs, by connecting together boxes, each of which carries out an operation on the data that passes through it. The result is a graph through which data flows. The final destination is most often an audio output, however Pure Data is also increasingly popular among visual artists and VJs, using libraries such as GEM and pdp to create live visuals. Although Pure Data doesn't require you to learn a programming language as such, the operations it allows are very low level. Luckily the examples are excellent, but to fully understand and go beyond them you'll need to pick up some understanding of sound synthesis or visual models. >> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/10/3/20856/7891 thanks to Marc Lavallée for the link ____________________________________________________________________ Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada

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Re: [PD-dev] uninitialized values bug
by Yves Degoyon 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

oh, and i forgot to say you're trying to induce a concurential model into the pd community and that's very very american, you can't help yourself for living in such a system ... but, we don't take it anymore... hahahaha, sevy Yves Degoyon wrote: > ola, > > i'm gonna answer more deeply to that shit ( ok, i'm drunk ) > > i was only asking a bit of respect for miller, > when i saw the first "patcher·" version for mac OS > with 5 objects, that was already inspiring )) > > about being a punk, > it's a compliment to me > and to you, that's negative... > don't forget that fucking the sound system > is partly fucking the system > but it's not enough ))) > > if i ask you whose that song is from : > "i am a sample, i am a product", > do you know anything? > > then, don't forget forget you work for museum > and such and just don't help > when people are suffering out there... > > don't ask me, > know who you are.. > > ciao, > sevy > > Guenter Geiger wrote: > >> >> >> I actually wanted to stay out of this discussion, but I have to support >> the opinions of hc. and yves. >> >> The patches system works very well, and I think it is a model how >> collaboration can work out, if we follow the rules. >> >> Guenter >> >> >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Yves Degoyon wrote: >>> >>>> yes, i second that. furthermore, i regret the arrogant attitude of >>>> people who think they invented a brand new program because they >>>> changed >>>> the interface.. >>> >>> >>> >>> It's not all about the gooey. When is SIMD going into the real pd? >>> When is >>> your threaded soundfiler going into the real pd? >>> >>>> don't judge a book by the cover... >>> >>> >>> >>> A GUI is not a cover. a splash-screen might be a cover... >>> >>> Why the book metaphor ? The experience of using the software is much >>> different from the one of using a book. Reading the source code is more >>> like reading a book, but most people don't do that, and if it were only >>> about the source code and not running it there would be little point in >>> PureData. >>> >>>> i'm just interested in having a click-free pd, and i posted some >>>> patches >>>> for having a threaded soundfiler that 2 years ago, i still using these >>>> patches. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tsk, tsk. True punks just enjoy the clicks. >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju >>> Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-dev mailing list >>> PD-dev(a)iem.at >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev >> >> >> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-dev mailing list > PD-dev(a)iem.at > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev > >

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fiddle crash
by Zachary Crockett 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

fiddle~ is causing Pd to segfault with both of these versions of Hans's OS X apps: Pd-0.38-4-extended-RC1 and Pd-0.39test2-extended- RC0. I'm on OS 10.4.2. This causes the crash: [adc~] | [fiddle~] Turn audio computation on. I also tried adding the default arguments to fiddle~. No difference. I found it while trying out Help => Tutorials/playnow => voice-fm.pd Crash log attached. Zac

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Problem Compiling OSCx External
by malik miller 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

First, thanks in advance for your patience and any help you can offer; I am new to this. I am trying to copmile the latest version of the OSCx External following the instructions contained in the ReadME file. I can configure with no errors, but when I try the make command I get the error I have posted below. It seems that the file s_stuff.h cannot be found. I am running the Demudi system. demudi:/usr/lib/pd/OSCx# make cd libOSC ; make make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/lib/pd/OSCx/libOSC' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/pd/OSCx/libOSC' cd src ; make make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/lib/pd/OSCx/src' cc -g -O2 -DUNIX -Wall -Wimplicit -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -O2 -I../libOSC -I../../pd/src -I../../../pd/src -I. -I../libOSC -I../../pd/src -I../../../pd/src -I. -c -o dumpOSC.o dumpOSC.c dumpOSC.c:75:21: s_stuff.h: No such file or directory dumpOSC.c:80: error: parse error before "t_fdpollfn" dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_new': dumpOSC.c:261: warning: implicit declaration of function `sys_sockerror' dumpOSC.c:273: warning: implicit declaration of function `sys_closesocket' dumpOSC.c:285: error: `t_fdpollfn' undeclared (first use in this function) dumpOSC.c:285: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once dumpOSC.c:285: error: for each function it appears in.) dumpOSC.c:285: error: parse error before "dumpOSC_read" dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_free': dumpOSC.c:317: warning: implicit declaration of function `sys_rmpollfn' dumpOSC.c: At top level: dumpOSC.c:327: warning: no previous prototype for `dumpOSC_setup' dumpOSC.c:486: warning: no previous prototype for `PrintClientAddr' dumpOSC.c: In function `PrintClientAddr': dumpOSC.c:492: warning: unsigned int format, long unsigned int arg (arg 2) dumpOSC.c: At top level: dumpOSC.c:510: warning: no previous prototype for `WriteTime' dumpOSC.c:516: warning: no previous prototype for `WriteMode' dumpOSC.c:521: warning: no previous prototype for `ReadTime' dumpOSC.c:527: warning: no previous prototype for `TimeToSeconds' dumpOSC.c:532: warning: no previous prototype for `timeRound' dumpOSC.c:555: warning: no previous prototype for `WriteLogicalTime' dumpOSC.c: In function `WriteLogicalTime': dumpOSC.c:562: warning: integer constant is too large for "long" type dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_SendReply': dumpOSC.c:569: warning: unused variable `t2' dumpOSC.c:570: warning: unused variable `dt2' dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_Smessage': dumpOSC.c:683: warning: unused variable `at' dumpOSC.c:686: warning: unused variable `myargc' dumpOSC.c:687: warning: unused variable `mya' dumpOSC.c:688: warning: unused variable `myi' dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_PrintTypeTaggedArgs': dumpOSC.c:762: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules dumpOSC.c:730: warning: unused variable `myi' dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_PrintHeuristicallyTypeGuessedArgs': dumpOSC.c:863: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules dumpOSC.c:852: warning: unused variable `myi' dumpOSC.c: At top level: dumpOSC.c:340: warning: `unixinitudp' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:366: warning: `initudp' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:418: warning: `closeudp' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:480: warning: `catch_sigint' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:155: warning: `Synthmessage' declared `static' but never defined dumpOSC.c:190: warning: `dumpOSC_read' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:483: warning: `sockfd' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:483: warning: `usockfd' defined but not used make[1]: *** [dumpOSC.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/pd/OSCx/src' make: *** [all] Error 2 demudi:/usr/lib/pd/OSCx# make cd libOSC ; make make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/lib/pd/OSCx/libOSC' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/pd/OSCx/libOSC' cd src ; make make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/lib/pd/OSCx/src' cc -g -O2 -DUNIX -Wall -Wimplicit -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -O2 -I../libOSC -I../../pd/src -I../../../pd/src -I. -I../libOSC -I../../pd/src -I../../../pd/src -I. -c -o dumpOSC.o dumpOSC.c dumpOSC.c:75:21: s_stuff.h: No such file or directory dumpOSC.c:80: error: parse error before "t_fdpollfn" dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_new': dumpOSC.c:261: warning: implicit declaration of function `sys_sockerror' dumpOSC.c:273: warning: implicit declaration of function `sys_closesocket' dumpOSC.c:285: error: `t_fdpollfn' undeclared (first use in this function) dumpOSC.c:285: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once dumpOSC.c:285: error: for each function it appears in.) dumpOSC.c:285: error: parse error before "dumpOSC_read" dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_free': dumpOSC.c:317: warning: implicit declaration of function `sys_rmpollfn' dumpOSC.c: At top level: dumpOSC.c:327: warning: no previous prototype for `dumpOSC_setup' dumpOSC.c:486: warning: no previous prototype for `PrintClientAddr' dumpOSC.c: In function `PrintClientAddr': dumpOSC.c:492: warning: unsigned int format, long unsigned int arg (arg 2) dumpOSC.c: At top level: dumpOSC.c:510: warning: no previous prototype for `WriteTime' dumpOSC.c:516: warning: no previous prototype for `WriteMode' dumpOSC.c:521: warning: no previous prototype for `ReadTime' dumpOSC.c:527: warning: no previous prototype for `TimeToSeconds' dumpOSC.c:532: warning: no previous prototype for `timeRound' dumpOSC.c:555: warning: no previous prototype for `WriteLogicalTime' dumpOSC.c: In function `WriteLogicalTime': dumpOSC.c:562: warning: integer constant is too large for "long" type dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_SendReply': dumpOSC.c:569: warning: unused variable `t2' dumpOSC.c:570: warning: unused variable `dt2' dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_Smessage': dumpOSC.c:683: warning: unused variable `at' dumpOSC.c:686: warning: unused variable `myargc' dumpOSC.c:687: warning: unused variable `mya' dumpOSC.c:688: warning: unused variable `myi' dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_PrintTypeTaggedArgs': dumpOSC.c:762: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules dumpOSC.c:730: warning: unused variable `myi' dumpOSC.c: In function `dumpOSC_PrintHeuristicallyTypeGuessedArgs': dumpOSC.c:863: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules dumpOSC.c:852: warning: unused variable `myi' dumpOSC.c: At top level: dumpOSC.c:340: warning: `unixinitudp' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:366: warning: `initudp' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:418: warning: `closeudp' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:480: warning: `catch_sigint' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:155: warning: `Synthmessage' declared `static' but never defined dumpOSC.c:190: warning: `dumpOSC_read' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:483: warning: `sockfd' defined but not used dumpOSC.c:483: warning: `usockfd' defined but not used make[1]: *** [dumpOSC.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/pd/OSCx/src' make: *** [all] Error 2

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Using Wacom Tablet with [hid] and absolute coordinates
by Frank Barknecht 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Hi, I managed to configure my Wacom USB Tablet (Pen Partner) to be recognized by [hid] on Linux, however it only generates relative coordinates like ([print]ed): print: rel rel_x 1 print: rel rel_y -2 Is there a way to get at absolute coordinates? I have set Option "Mode" "Absolute" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, but I guess, this is not used at all when using direct device access using [hid]. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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Mathieu Bouchard @ Piksel'05
by Mathieu Bouchard 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

"GridFlow" by Mathieu Bouchard Wednesday, October 19th at about 21:00 UTC+2 "DesireData" by Mathieu Bouchard and Chun Lee Friday, October 21st at about 21:00 UTC+2 Also other PureData-related talks/presentations : October 17th : "PixelTANGO" by Ben Bogart October 18th : "PdRadio" by Georg Holzmann October 18th : "Map-o-Matix" by Yves Degoyon/Chaser All at "The Bunker", Bergen, Norway. http://www.bek.no/static/gallery/kroen/images/img_0613.jpg.jpg http://www.bek.no/static/gallery/kroen/images/img_0616.jpg.jpg http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/P05Presentations ____________________________________________________________________ Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada

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