Pd-list August 2004

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Re: [PD] can i somehow set a startpath for [openpanel]?
by sven 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

At 08:29 27.08.2004, you wrote: >hi > >if you have several [openpanel]s in a patch, everyone for loading files from a >separate folder, it could be quite 'search-intensive' to load different >files, because you always have to go in the rigth folder first. >is there a solution for this problem like setting a startpath? > >by the way something else from my wishlist: >an option in [openpanel] to set a suffix for a filetype to be visible in the >opendialog would be great... i have no pd here right now but using pyext this script should do it (untested): save that script into the same dir as your patch and give it the name "filedialog.py" make an object [pyext filedialog openpanel]. now you can send messages [dir /tmp( and [ext .wav( to set startpath and extension and [open( to open the dialog... let me know if it works. sven. import tkFileDialog import pyext class openpanel(pyext._class): _inlets=1 _outlets=1 def __init__(self): self.dir = '' self.ext = '' def dir_1(self, dir): self.dir = dir def ext_1(self,ext): self.ext = ext def open_1(self): f = tkFileDialog.askopenfilename(initialdir = self.dir, defaultextension = self.ext) self._outlet(1,f)

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Built externals for windows
by Andres Cabrera 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hi all, Someone posted recently a link to a place with many precompiled externals (including vst~) for windows. I've tried all I can think of: searching the archives and google for the link, but can't find it. Can someone repost it? Thanks, AndrÃ©s

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Re: [PD] Pd 0.37.4 app test release for MacOS X
by 0001 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hi Stefan. I think your message was intended for the list, so I cc them my response. first of all keep in mind that those are test releases, and in my case quite experimental. > I don't know if the console problem is solved already, but as the last > modification has no console, I can't report any error messages. with the latest version you can use the system console (/Applications/Console.app). If you miss the [print] messages then download it again, thie first one I uploaded had a problem with this > I was running Gerards version of 0.37.4 which tells me that Tcl & Tk > 8.4.7 are running. As I remember, Hans-Christophs version, which I > tried before, showed me 8.4.6. Does this mean the distribution is > loading its own Tcl & Tk version and the version 5 I downloaded before > is obsolete? yes, with this version you don't need to worry about tcl / tk or the wish shell anymore (well hopefully), everything goes bundled ... gerard El 26/08/2004, a las 10:22, Stefan Tiedje escribió: > Hi Gerard and Hans-Christoph, > > Thank you so much for creating these distributions. It is the first > time I could easily get PD running on my Powerbook. As I do use Max > for years, I was not too much motivated before, to get it running, it > probably would have been possible earlier as well ;-) > > The first glance is impressive! I am sure I'll encourage a lot of my > students to go for PD, though Max is much more easy to deal with, but > especially student are short of money. > > But of course, I ran into some problems. > I don't know if the console problem is solved already, but as the last > modification has no console, I can't report any error messages. > > I tried to load from Frank Barknechts poolexample the 'tester.pd': > nothing happened... after that, even loading my working test patches > did not load. This behaviour remained, even after restarting PD. I had > to restart OS X (10.3.5) to get it loading patches again. A new > attempt to start that tester.pd killed PD (no crashlog, PD just > disapeared), a restart of PD was fine this time. > > I was running Gerards version of 0.37.4 which tells me that Tcl & Tk > 8.4.7 are running. As I remember, Hans-Christophs version, which I > tried before, showed me 8.4.6. Does this mean the distribution is > loading its own Tcl & Tk version and the version 5 I downloaded before > is obsolete? > I don't get yet how these four programs (PD, Tcl/Tk, Wish, Terminal) > are dependent and how they communicate and call each other. > Especially I'd like to know how I can find out from an OS X point of > view if and where things are installed (this is also a problem for me > with MySQL I'd like to get hands on for quite a while without > success). If everything needed is PD centric in its bundle, this is > fine for me, then I don't have to deal with it at all. But I just > don't know if this is the case. > > Again thanks a lot for getting me going. I'll pull out some PD-Max > compatibility abhaXions as my contribution for the community as soon I > find some time for it. > > Stefan > > 0001 wrote: > >> hi, I've put a modified version of the test MacOSX application >> package here: >> >> http://pure-data.info/Members/gerard/pd-0.37.4.dmg >> >> changes: >> * moved to the WishKit app package (distributed with tcl / tk BI) >> * added -nowish flag to pd >> * modified AppMain.tcl and pd.tk to launch pd -nowish and load pdtcl >> in the new structure, also completed drag+drop support ;) >> * recompiled pdtcl to link with embeded frameworks. For some reason >> @executable_path/../Frameworks seems to resolve to inside the >> Resuorces folder of the package, so I've copied the Frameworks folder >> there as well as a hackaround. >> * added some experimental documentation menu patches. > > > > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje Klanggestaltung > CD-Mastering > /~~~~~\ Elektronische > \\\ /|() ()|\ Komposition > ))))) )| | |( \\\ & Improvisation > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// > ---------------------------- 9, rue Moreau > -_____-----------|---------- 93200 Saint Denis > -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- France > - _|_)----|-----()---------- CCMIX 01-49 77 51 72 > ---------()-----------------

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Font Size under OS X?
by J. Simon van der Walt 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

A while ago I posted about, this, no-one answered, but I'm halfway to an answer now myself... would very much appreciate it if anyone could help me get the rest of the way there! When you open up a patch in OS X, the default font size is too large for it to be usable. I've now discovered is easily fixed from the Edit menu -> Font, which opens up a box called FONT BOMB, where you can change the font size down to 10, which is fine. The problem is, you need to do this on /every single patch you open/, and the setting doesn't stick, so you need to do it /every time/... Can anyone say where the default setting is stored? I've looked inside every likely looking file, but I just can't suss it. Thanks in advance, -- J. Simon van der Walt ----- Composer <http://www.jsimonvanderwalt.com>

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More data structures: x-spacing in arrays
by Frank Barknecht 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hallo, another one of those data structures question not many people could answer. ;) I'm having difficulties in understanding x-spacing in [plot]ted arrays correctly, if the elements of the array contain the x-fields. To me it's not clear if x is taken relative to the template's (0,0) point or relative to the previous array element or taken as a mysterious combination of both. In the attached example I'm trying to make a graphical ADSR example which can be edited both graphically by using the mouse as well as numerically through sliders. The sliders should stay in sync with the graphical representation. For that I poll the graphics window and read out the x-coordiantes. This is done in the subpatch "getter". The subpatch "calculations" translates slider positions to "set"-commands to the graphics. Now the problem is to compute the Release's x-value. If I only use "set" - that is, if the "getter" subpatch is off, all is fine: The slider values correspond to the graphical appearance. If however I use get as well ("getter" turned on) then a change to the "A" slider will also change the "R" slider. Now the actually strange this is, that it does not change the "D" slider which also has a position dependent on "A". It might well be that I have a silly "order of execution" error myself here, but somehow I don't see it (probably being blinded by colors now) I'd love it if someone has an idea on where my error is ... Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__

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Problem installing pd in Xandros
by Phil Thomson 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hey all, Got the deb file to install pd on Xandros, a Debian-based Linux. But when I try to install it, I get this msg: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. puredata: Depends: libjack0.71.2-0 (>= 0.75.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages Done. I've got JACK 0.98.1. How do I proceed? TIA. Phil "Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." Popular Mechanics, 1949 ========= Phil Thomson home: http://www.sfu.ca/~pthomson label: http://centibel.org/ group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/databenders/ ========= SDF Public Access UNIX System http://www.freeshell.org/ Geekier than you since 1987.

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Pd convention, the best way to build a patch ?
by abel.jerome＠free.fr 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

Thanks Franck, I stay on matrix, here my patch. I hope you could understand. http://giair.music.free.fr/patchs/partage/routing/ your system with $1 and $2 and select object to pass the message, it's very clear ! It could be a solution. but I would control the routing (mapping ? could we say that ?) with a simple message, so I am gone through another direction. I think my patch is too big for this action. I will try with your solution. It's may be more comfortable. Because if I have to change the "y" paramaters in mine, it's a true headhacke ! best JR

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lazy request
by Aymeric 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

hello list, what about tab completion activated while filing object boxes ? ok ... sorry ... it's sunday ... +! aym3ric.

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Pd convention, the best way to build a patch ?
by abel.jerome＠free.fr 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

Hi I'm just interesting about the best way to build a patch. Because, I fight certainly against problems of programmation in pd. I've read this Pd convention : http://www.earcatching.com/pdconv/index.htm And I think, it's a great idea. An idea of how to do a patch clearly ... But it can't answer to my present problem : I want to make a kind of array of routing with two parameters (x and y) which could be changed (it would be the best). At the beginning, without reflexions, it looks like this : http://giair.music.free.fr/images/pd/ouaou_PUREDATA.jpg interesting, no? so? In my new patch, I'm using the object matrix (Zexy lib) which allow to edit in the array independantly the two parameters. My questions are : 1. Is it possible, an array of three parameters changeable ? What is the best way for a big numbers of parameters (here, my x values are about 29 elements, my y values are 7 or plus) : 2. Do you privilege the direct connections with threads. So, with 29 * 7, its like a forest of threads, it's impossible to update, and not clear at all. And, it could generate some digital artefacts (**#!!!CLICKS !!). aNd sharing patchs, how it could be possible if after three days we can't understand the patch. And make threads, it's not my favorite job! 3.Do you privilege to creat send and receive objects. It's more clear, but it's 29 * 7, alias 203 objects more in the patchs. In the pd convention, they don't advise this objects (WHY ?) 4. Or create unit abstraction which group for this example the 7 parameters. It's more clear, and more updatable. But it's 29 objects more again ! 5. And create abstraction of abstraction ? So for you, what is the best to control a lot of parameters ? jerome

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RE: [PD] compiling fluid~ external on osx
by Koray Tahiroglu 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

Hello Everybody, >has anybody ever tried to get the fluid~ external working on OS X? >Would be great! >cheers >--- >Christian Klotz >Kunsthochschule Kassel / School of Arts Kassel ::digitalpool I am also looking for compiled version of fluid~ external for OS X. Has anybody have a compiled version? cheers, ----------------- M.Koray Tahiroglu DA student/researcher Media Lab, University of Art and Design Helsinki, TaiK Hameentie 135C 00560 Helsinki Finland http://mlab.uiah.fi/~korayt/ tel: +358 40 754 8449 fax: +358 9 75630 555

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