Pd-list April 2004

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how do i interact with pd without gui?
by Tim Blechmann 02 Apr '04

02 Apr '04

hi all, i recently got an old notebook (p2, 400mhz), i'd like to set up as a hard disk recorder ... i'd like to build a recording patch (wav / mp3 / ogg) and start it from the command line (i'd prefer not to run an x server on this machine) ... but how is it possible to interact with pd without the gui or some kind of midi device? is it possible to send messages to pd from the command line (maybe via netsend/recieve or osc) thnx... Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" Jack Kerouac

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PD/MAX files
by guillaume 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

Je n'arrive pas à ouvrir les fichiers au format max/msp dans Pd (ver 0.37.0) Quelqu'un peut-il m'aider?

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how to build Pd on windows
by carmen 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

i put together a brief webpage explaining the new build process for pd on windows: http://whats-your.name/pd/build_pd_mingw32.html about 80% of the externals compiled on the first try, the majority that dont are in /chaos/ and make use of 'srand48' and 'drand48'... & a few others using network or microtime functions... if youre using the main branch of CVS or 0.37.1, delete the MSW #ifdef's in s_entry.c just leaving the "else" case and same thing in m_pd.h for the dllimport/export lines...didnt want to step on any toes there in case anyone still is using (or god forbid even prefers) Visual Studio... cr

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"mixed" cvs not compiling on OSX?
by James Tittle II 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

hiya, ...I'm trying to compile "miXed" externs from cvs, but ran into the following, and don't know what to do: can you point me in the right direction? Also, is there any special reason why it's still using gcc2, and not gcc3.3 (I'm on 10.3.3)? gcc2 -o ../../bin/sickle.pd_darwin -Wall -W -Wstrict-prototypes -Werror -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -DUNIX -DMACOSX -I. -I../../../../pd-0.37-1/src -I../../shared -bundle -bundle_loader ../../../../pd-0.37-1/src/../bin/pd -flat_namespace ./allsickles.o ./abs.o ./acos.o ./acosh.o ./allpass.o ./asin.o ./asinh.o ./atan.o ./atan2.o ./atanh.o ./average.o ./avg.o ./bitand.o ./bitnot.o ./bitor.o ./bitshift.o ./bitxor.o ./buffir.o ./capture.o ./cartopol.o ./change.o ./click.o ./Clip.o ./comb.o ./cosh.o ./cosx.o ./count.o ./curve.o ./cycle.o ./delay.o ./delta.o ./deltaclip.o ./edge.o ./frameaccum.o ./framedelta.o ./index.o ./kink.o ./Line.o ./linedrive.o ./log.o ./lookup.o ./lores.o ./maximum.o ./minimum.o ./minmax.o ./mstosamps.o ./onepole.o ./peakamp.o ./peek.o ./phasewrap.o ./pink.o ./play.o ./poke.o ./poltocar.o ./pong.o ./pow.o ./rand.o ./rampsmooth.o ./record.o ./reson.o ./sah.o ./sampstoms.o ./Scope.o ./sinh.o ./sinx.o ./slide.o ./Snapshot.o ./spike.o ./svf.o ./tanh.o ./tanx.o ./train.o ./trapezoid.o ./triangle.o ./vectral.o ./wave.o ./zerox.o ../../shared/unstable/forky.o ../../shared/unstable/fragile.o ../../shared/unstable/fringe.o ../../shared/common/loud.o ../../shared/common/grow.o ../../shared/common/vefl.o ../../shared/common/binport.o ../../shared/common/port.o ../../shared/hammer/file.o ../../shared/sickle/sic.o ../../shared/sickle/arsic.o sickle.c ERROR: empty file setup.wiq... removed transferring widget definitions from "../test/toxy/setup.wid" to "setup.wiq" sed: 1: "1i// Do not edit this f ...": command i expects \ followed by text make[1]: *** [setup.wiq] Error 1 make: *** [all] Error 2 tiggity:~/puredataDev/externals/mixed tigital$ thanx, jamie

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Re: [PD-announce] New Pd GUI enhancements
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

These sound very nice. Any chance of getting them in the CVS? .hc On Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004, at 19:46 America/New_York, jsarlo(a)UCSD.Edu wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got some new Pd GUI enhancements for 0.37-1 available. > > Includes: > > Patch Cord Viewer: Lets you see what is being sent over a patch > cord. For > signals, shows the maximum value over 2205 samples. Toggle with Ctrl+r > in edit > mode. > > Highlighted Inlets/Outlets: When patching, the inlet and outlet > that will > be connected is highlighted. > > Colored Patch Cords: Set signal and control patch cord color with > command > line arguments -scolor <n> and -ccolor <n> where <n> is a 6 digit hex > value > (e.g. ff0000 for red). > > Drop Shadows: Turn on drop shadows with command line argument > -dropshadows. > > > http://crca.ucsd.edu/~jsarlo/pd/ > > Joe > jsarlo(a)ucsd.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-announce mailing list > PD-announce(a)iem.at > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-announce

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RE: [PD] buying PC's: Quantity vs. Quality
by Ian Smith-Heisters 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

By the Edirol being programmable I meant that the effects themselves could be programmable, kind of like a Nord Modular for video manipulation. If it was like that I would definitely try to find a way to get it, as I probably wouldn't need more than a few distinct effects. I figured I would need at least two computers because of the audio dropout with GEM; I've got my personal lappie and then, hopefully, a $1500 grant to buy the school a new computer. Plus there's this monsterous dual Xeon that's being used lightly for video editing, that I may be able to conscript. And there's a 'tantalizing' offer of a half dozen Pentium II 400MHz rigs. I don't quite understand why the Motu would make the difference over the Audigy. Basically, PD outputs with dac~ to which you could give as many arguements as you have channels, right? So why wouldn't "dac~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7" give seven channel sound? And if that wouldn't work with the Audigy, why would it with the Motu? > Say where are you studying? I'm an undergrad in Computer Science and Dance at Marlboro College in Vermont. -Ian > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [PD] buying PC's: Quantity vs. Quality > From: beau25(a)access4less.net > Date: Wed, March 31, 2004 5:22 pm > To: "Ian Smith-Heisters" <heisters(a)0x09.com> > > PD sound drivers don't let you have a different number > of inputs than outputs so your $100 Audigy's will not give > you surround sound, there are some interesting open source > drivers that let you custom program the dsp on the card, > which could be interesting but is sort of like having to > learn PD twice. Try to use the schools old Motu, that will > save you a lot of money and let you do surround, and should > be easy. > > You need two computers, if you try intensive graphics > rendering the audio will drop out. If you have any synths, > you could use video and midi, but not video + audio. I > tryed it on a 1.1Ghz processor, faster processors probably > still wont work. See if you could develop the audio and > video in seperate patches and then install pd + Gem on the > schools computer. You probably still want to use the GEM > GEO mapping that is cool. > > The mixer will do effect like colorization, mirror, and > video blending. These effects can be done in GEM, but they > slow down the system too much, and work seemlessly on the > mixer. The V4 is definitely programable, you get 8 banks of > 6 effects and a transition. You mix your video camera or > computer source in the mixer and possibly map some geo's > with gem. the control the automazation with midi through > pd's logic > > Say where are you studying? > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > > > Edirol V-4 video mixer it has a lot of built in effects > > > and can be controlled via midi, so uses it video > > processor and let PD atomate it. > > > > > Next you need a good quality multi-channel audio device. > > > Motu (PC + MAC) > > > makes one, and hammerfall has another (Linux + PC + > > > MAC). I think with the > > > hammerfall you would also need to buy a DAC. On a > > > students budget this > > > could be tough either of those are close to $700. > > > > That's interesting, I hadn't even considered buying > > external hardware. My college already has the requisite > > LCD projectors, PAs, screens, etc. including a Motu > > 2408mk2, which is old, but not unusable. I figure that > > something as simple as a 100$ Creative Audigy 2 would be > > enough as it has 5.1 (7.1?) perhaps not.. But with > > something like the video mixer, since all it needs is midi > > , I could do audio and control the mixer all on one > > computer. The thing I would worry about is limitations of > > the mixer if it is not programmable (I haven't had time to > > really go over the Edirol's specs in detail yet--it may be > > programmable). > > > > Thanks for the tips. > > > > -Ian

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RE: [PD] Buying PCs for PD: Quantity or Quality
by Ian Smith-Heisters 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

> It all depends on what kinds of sound you produce. I regularly overload > my > dual 2 GHz athlon box during performances making only sounds. But > those > are all synthesized on the fly. For sample playback you need a lot > less > CPU so if you want a lot of simple voices more or less out of sync a > couple a slow computers will do the trick. Yikes, with my limited knowledge of sythesis, I don't think I've ever come close to overloading my single Athlon 1.7ghz. This may be a consideration to take into account as the performance may use more complex synthesis than I have been using. But even a dual Athlon like yours is out of range for this project. I'm sure, however, that I'll be able to find some kind of work around, if only by avoiding complex sythesis. > In a studio environment yes. A reasonably quiet of-the-shelf computer > (not > the cheapest allready) I have found not to interfere in a theater > setting, > with all the lights and aircondition etc. But in a recording studio > with > nice mics you really notice them. It all depends again on the kinds of > sound manipulation you do and in what kind of environment. A noisy PA > for > instance will mask more than a high end one. I you have the good mic > and > you want to have it take samples, so you are gating the input, you > will > notice noisy input a lot sooner than if you only amplify it since > noise > becomes more noticeable when it is interupted. That can be nice or not > depending on your esthetics. This is what I expected. In this case I don't think I will worry too much about quietness, as the audience's distance from the machinery, the ambient noise, and the noise of the performance itself will drown out computer noise. Also I probably won't be taking straight samples and rebroadcasting them, so ambient noise on the mics shouldn't be too big a problem. Rather, I intended to use mics as a poor man's sensor, whereby if the analyzed input to the mic has certain characteristics, another event will be triggered. Noise could easily be canceled out by calibrating the analysis correctly. Thanks. -ian

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RE: [PD] buying PC's: Quantity vs. Quality
by Ian Smith-Heisters 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

> Edirol V-4 video mixer it has a lot of built in effects and can be > controlled via midi, so uses it video processor and let PD atomate it. > Next you need a good quality multi-channel audio device. Motu (PC + > MAC) > makes one, and hammerfall has another (Linux + PC + MAC). I think with > the > hammerfall you would also need to buy a DAC. On a students budget > this > could be tough either of those are close to $700. That's interesting, I hadn't even considered buying external hardware. My college already has the requisite LCD projectors, PAs, screens, etc. including a Motu 2408mk2, which is old, but not unusable. I figure that something as simple as a 100$ Creative Audigy 2 would be enough as it has 5.1 (7.1?) perhaps not.. But with something like the video mixer, since all it needs is midi, I could do audio and control the mixer all on one computer. The thing I would worry about is limitations of the mixer if it is not programmable (I haven't had time to really go over the Edirol's specs in detail yet--it may be programmable). Thanks for the tips. -Ian

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RE: [PD] Buying PCs for PD: Quantity or Quality
by Ian Smith-Heisters 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

> In general I would say yes (assuming the work can be distributed > evenly). Multiple systems means you have duplication of more system > components such as L1/L2 cache, FSB, drive controllers. However, you > pay > for the extra hardware. This brings up another question. Are there techniques for distributing tasks evenly over a network of computers? I'm aware of rendering farms and beowulf clusters (though I don't actually know much about them), but is there some way to implement a similar idea with PD? For instance, I could set up two comps for 3D and one for audio--but if the audio computer isn't being used to its fullest capacity, is there some way for it to take a load off the others? I realize that with 3D this would be impossible because of the speed of a network; what kind of multimedia tasks could take advantage of something like this (if any)? -Ian

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Pd-list April 2004