Pd-list March 2004

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RE: [PD] Re: Loading PD External
by Matthew Allen 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

No, pd will look at your path for any external name you type in the box. Percolate is a library so make sure you have a -lib percolate in your .pdrc or command line. When you start pd does it try and load percolate and give you an error in the terminal window? -----Original Message----- From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at]On Behalf Of doniguan(a)stny.rr.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:03 PM To: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] Re: Loading PD External WOW, pretty amazing when things work. I get all the librarys, Zexy, Xsample, bonk, fiddle, and so forth to load. The only one that still doesnt work is percolate. It is looking in the right directory, but it sais it failed. If i want to use certain objects in my extras directory, do i have to type them all in by hand? Thanks for all the help- AP _______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD-list(a)iem.at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list _________________________________________________ Scanned on 18 Mar 2004 23:43:49 Scanning by http://erado.com _________________________________________________ Scanned on 18 Mar 2004 23:50:25 Scanning by http://erado.com

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Re: [PD] Re: Loading PD External
by doniguan＠stny.rr.com 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

Thanks for the leghty response, but im acutally using OSX. Creating batch files, or command? files in OSX is different than in windows because when i rename the command file, it loses its "executable" qualities? It gives me errors when i double click it. Thanks Hi, don't let them funny *nix folks get you all mixed up! To my knowledge, a pdrc is a useless file in windoze because you don't have a "home" directory. At least not in the Unix world-concept. For your needs, it is best to take Florian's advice a post or two back in the thread and put everything together in your pd.bat file. I reprint his post below: > never properly having worked with dos commands before i used pd, i had lots of trouble loading externals when i first started. i suggest you might do as IOhannes said but make yourself a .bat file to start pd instead of typing all stuff into the command window: > > open a new text file in windows notepad, type in all your paths, flags, lib locations sth like: > > c:\pd\bin\pd.exe -nomidin -nomidiout -font 10 -blablabla -path c:\thepathtofiles (if needed, this should be in the externals readme you want to load) -lib c:\thepathtothedlloftheexternal;c:\thepathtoanotherexternal.... > > save it (*.txt), close it and simply rename to .bat instead of .txt. now either double-click or load from a command prompt. You are probably having trouble starting PD from the DOS shell because it is in a funny place like C:\Program Files or something like that with a space in it. You will need to type the full path name to PD, and as IOhannes suggested, avoid directories with spaces because "C:\Program Files" actually must be typed as "C:\Program\ Files" to be read properly, or else DOS thinks that the path is "C:\Program" and that "Files" is a command or some additional info... Better to move your whole PD directory tree directly to "C:\". Trust me, it will be easier that way. I could go on, but a good resource for PD on windows for the wet-behind-the-ears newbie is here: http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/Pd/start_pd_win.htm This should explain path names and .bat files very clearly. Why isn't this info part of the Friendly Manual [TM], anyway? ;-) good luck, d doniguan(a)stny.rr.com wrote: > Is the pdrc file something only found in the enhanced version of pd? I installed version .37 from an installer, i dont think i have the enhanced version. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 164: "Twist the spine"

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Re: Loading PD External
by doniguan＠stny.rr.com 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

Is the pdrc file something only found in the enhanced version of pd? I installed version .37 from an installer, i dont think i have the enhanced version.

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RE: [PD] Re: Loading PD External
by Matthew Allen 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

you need to create a new text file in your home directory called .pdrc. I guess a good question to ask at this point is, what platform are you on? I assumed Linux, but I'm now guessing you may be on osX? m. -----Original Message----- From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at]On Behalf Of doniguan(a)stny.rr.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:21 PM To: pd-list Subject: [PD] Re: Loading PD External Is the pdrc file something only found in the enhanced version of pd? I installed version .37 from an installer, i dont think i have the enhanced version. _______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD-list(a)iem.at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list _________________________________________________ Scanned on 18 Mar 2004 22:07:12 Scanning by http://erado.com _________________________________________________ Scanned on 18 Mar 2004 22:21:09 Scanning by http://erado.com

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loading external
by Hugo Dini 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

I have trouble loading the knob external into pd 0.37 extended on windozexp. I put the knob.dll in the bin folder also in the extra folder, and call it as I did in pd 0.35. I tried also via the pdLauncher but it's not happening. any help would be much appreciated. Hugo Hugo hugodini(a)warpmail.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own

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Re: loading pd external
by florian grassl 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

doniguan(a)stny.rr.com wrote: > I am too having trouble loading simple externals. Im trying to install percolate. I have all the files in the lib/pd/ folder, but i dont know how to get them to work. It sais something along the lines of, type load -percolate when you start pd, but i dont understand what that means. hello, never properly having worked with dos commands before i used pd, i had lots of trouble loading externals when i first started. i suggest you might do as IOhannes said but make yourself a .bat file to start pd instead of typing all stuff into the command window: open a new text file in windows notepad, type in all your paths, flags, lib locations sth like: c:\pd\bin\pd.exe -nomidin -nomidiout -font 10 -blablabla -path c:\thepathtofiles (if needed, this should be in the externals readme you want to load) -lib c:\thepathtothedlloftheexternal;c:\thepathtoanotherexternal.... save it (*.txt), close it and simply rename to .bat instead of .txt. now either double-click or load from a command prompt. hope that´s any help, flo _____________________________________________________________________ Der WEB.DE Virenschutz schuetzt Ihr Postfach vor dem Wurm Netsky.A-K! Kostenfrei fuer alle FreeMail Nutzer. http://f.web.de/?mc=021157

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RE: [PD] Re: Loading PD External
by Matthew Allen 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

You may want to look at creating a .pdrc. This is a file that lives in your home directory, and every time pd is run it will look at the .pdrc for all of its start up options. If you do a search of the list archives for .pdrc you will get a bunch of peoples .pdrc's To execute your Pd.command change to its directory in a terminal and type ./Pd.command. I could go into the hows and why of this, but it would be a long mail, you could google.com/linux on shell scripting and paths. However! i wouldnt do it this way. I would just open a terminal and type pd after you have created your .pdrc. My .pdrc looks like this (roughly, i am at work): -rt -jack -inchannels 4 -outchannels 2 -path /usr/lib/pd/extra -lib zexy -lib xsample -lib iem_t3_lib -lib <insert library here> If you do a pd -help from a console you will get a great list of all of the flags you can set. make sure your externals all located in a -path directory or else pd will not know about them. m. -----Original Message----- From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at]On Behalf Of doniguan(a)stny.rr.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:03 AM To: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] Re: Loading PD External My Pd.command File has this in it so far #!/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/pd -rt Im not quite sure how to edit it and still have it be able to execute. I can open it in Textedit, but when i click to run it, i get an error. Im not sure how to run the pd.command from a terminal. I opened a terminal window and clicked Run command, and typed in Pd, Pd.command, it didnt work. I found the directory my .darwin files are in (I assume those are the library's) /usr/local/lib/pd/extras/ (Thats where xsample.pd.darwin is) And /usr/local/lib/pd/PeRColate/ Im new to unix and this whole thing. On my pc, i could edit batch files like patches, edit them and resave them. But it wont let me do that with my command file. Thanks- AP _________________________________________________ Scanned on 18 Mar 2004 19:07:41 Scanning by http://erado.com

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Re: [PD] Re: Loading PD External
by doniguan＠stny.rr.com 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

My Pd.command File has this in it so far #!/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/pd -rt Im not quite sure how to edit it and still have it be able to execute. I can open it in Textedit, but when i click to run it, i get an error. Im not sure how to run the pd.command from a terminal. I opened a terminal window and clicked Run command, and typed in Pd, Pd.command, it didnt work. I found the directory my .darwin files are in (I assume those are the library's) /usr/local/lib/pd/extras/ (Thats where xsample.pd.darwin is) And /usr/local/lib/pd/PeRColate/ Im new to unix and this whole thing. On my pc, i could edit batch files like patches, edit them and resave them. But it wont let me do that with my command file. Thanks- AP _______________________ hi. to pass arguments to pd you must either open a shell (aka: DOS-box) (with "Start->Execute..." and running "cmd" on "modern" systems) or use and edit a .bat-file. starting pd with simply clicking on the "pd.exe" will not allow you to pass arguments. 1. one of the most important flags for pd is the "-verbose" flag; it gives a lot of interesting (and mostly uninteresting) information on the stderr (which is displayed in the DOS-box) so the command line would look like "pd.exe -verbose" 2. normally pd tries to search and find unknown objects and libraries on several paths, e.g: "/path/to/my/pd/extra"; you can add additional paths with the "-path" flag such command line would look like "pd.exe -path /path/to/my/libraries/" 3. to load a library use "-lib ", eg "-lib zexy". this library is searched in the built-in and in the specified (see (2)) paths. when trying (and failing) to load a library it will say something like " tried /my/home/asdf.pd_linux and failed tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/asdf.pd_linux and failed asdf: can't load library " when trying (and succeeding) to load a library it will probably say " tried /my/home/qwer.dll and failed tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/qwer.dll and succeeded " so go and have a try: "pd.exe -verbose -path /path/to/my/percolate/ -lib percolate" go and figure out what the errors on the shell mean. notes: a) cases *might* matter b) avoid spaces in path-names, e.g. "-path C:\Program Files\pd" is a *very* bad place to put things in. mfg.a.sdf IOhannes

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newbie Max/MSP conversion questions
by Jer Welter 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

Hi All - I've been using Max/MSP for many years (probably know some of you from that list) but am just looking into PD. I've got the most recent (October '03) pd-extended, including the cyclone (which is a great idea for us platform vagrants). I hope someone who has been down this road before might be able to answer some Max/MSP-centric questions about PD.... I imagine most if not all have been covered before, but searches of the list archives aren't getting me quick answers to what are probably quickly answerable questions, so please bear with me ;) a) Between the cyclone and native PD, I can handle most of the needs of my patches, but I am wondering if there are objects that behave similarly to the following Max/MSP objs: - poly~ (and its friends/helpers) - filein - serial - vexpr b) Also, I take it that there is no concept of "overdrive" in PD, and hence no need for objects like "defer". Is this correct? c) aside from the contents of the extras folder, are there other objects included with pd-extended, and if so where do I find them (and non-help-patch documentation on them, if available)? d) have the McCartney ListOps been ported to PD? If so, where do I get them? How about atoi/itoa? e) any other "gotchas" (aside from time-of-instantiation vs right-to-left for message order disambiguation) that a Maxer coming to PD might encounter? The documentation has thus far been quite helpful, but hoping for a bit of a leg up. Thanks, and sorry for wasted bandwidth... Jer

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RE: [PD] looping sampler problem
by Matthew Allen 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

A bit more on how your sample is being mangeled might help (to fast, completely unrecognizable, tiny snippets of my sound). Does other sounds in pd sound crunchy? but off the top of my head, you will need to change the the speed of the phasor being used for the look up table. Also, remeber in that example the sample is looping just the chunk size, you could easily make that example loop the entire sample by running the samples size (output from the bottom of your soundfiler, if you are using that) into the *~ 0 box's right inlet (this will set the loop size to the entire sample). hope this helps, its the best I can do without a working PD in front of me :) m. -----Original Message----- From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at]On Behalf Of john saylor Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:47 AM To: pd-list(a)iem.at Subject: [PD] looping sampler problem hi i've copied the example from 28.sampler.loop.pd from 3.audio.examples in the 0.37.0 release for windows [xp]. i'm using a different source file. i can see the wave from in the array box. and i get sound out, but it's all the nice crunchy modified stuff. but what i want is to loop the original- so it sounds somewhat like the original. the sampling rate is 22050 Hz [instead of 44100], 1 channel, 16 bit. can anyone point me toward what i need to do? what knobs i need to tweak? thx. -- \js [ . . . ] _______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD-list(a)iem.at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list _________________________________________________ Scanned on 18 Mar 2004 15:22:24 Scanning by http://erado.com _________________________________________________ Scanned on 18 Mar 2004 18:00:06 Scanning by http://erado.com

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