Pd-list May 2003

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Re: [PD] total newbie: making pd work
by Alex 14 May '03

14 May '03

Hi, I guess your are on Windows. There is a pre-installed version of PD with GEM+Zexy+IEMlib(which are most famous externals for pd), there: http://iem.kug.ac.at/~musil/iemlib/ All you have to do is to unzip wherever you want and double click on one of the .bat file that fits your system (with/withoutMIDI, 2or16Ch....). The .bat file will start PD without involving any compiling to do. That way you can start. Good Luck. Alex On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 08:39 pm, Andrea Valle wrote: > Hi to all, > I've just subscribed. > Ok, it's an idiot question. I downloaded the zip for win and read the > FAQ: > "To use Pd at this stage you will need some patience and a sense of > adventure. You might also need to be comfortable compiling and > debugging > software written for C and UNIX". > Now, I've got the sense of adventure and a lot of patience but I am not > confortable in compiling C. > Effectively, at the very moment I don't know what to do. > > Is it possible to try to use pd anycase? I mean: are there some > resources on > the web like "pd for *real* dummies: how to compile it"? > Any suggestion is the most welcome. > > Thanks a lot and sorry. > > -a- > > > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: pd-list-admin(a)iem.kug.ac.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.kug.ac.at]Per > conto di pd-list-request(a)iem.kug.ac.at > Inviato: martedì 13 maggio 2003 21.08 > A: marta_andrea(a)libero.it > Oggetto: Welcome to the "PD-list" mailing list (Digest mode) > > > Welcome to the PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at mailing list! Welcome to the > PureData-mailinglist. > > Did you know, that there are other pd-related lists on > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/listinfo ? > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > subscription page at: > > > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/options/pd-list/ > marta_andrea%40libero.i > t > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > PD-list-request(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > 6(Scemo) > > If you forget your password, don't worry, you will receive a monthly > reminder telling you what all your iem.kug.ac.at mailing list > passwords are, and how to unsubscribe or change your options. There > is also a button on your options page that will email your current > password to you. > > You may also have your password mailed to you automatically from the > Web page noted above. > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >

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total newbie: making pd work
by Andrea Valle 13 May '03

13 May '03

Hi to all, I've just subscribed. Ok, it's an idiot question. I downloaded the zip for win and read the FAQ: "To use Pd at this stage you will need some patience and a sense of adventure. You might also need to be comfortable compiling and debugging software written for C and UNIX". Now, I've got the sense of adventure and a lot of patience but I am not confortable in compiling C. Effectively, at the very moment I don't know what to do. Is it possible to try to use pd anycase? I mean: are there some resources on the web like "pd for *real* dummies: how to compile it"? Any suggestion is the most welcome. Thanks a lot and sorry. -a- -----Messaggio originale----- Da: pd-list-admin(a)iem.kug.ac.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.kug.ac.at]Per conto di pd-list-request(a)iem.kug.ac.at Inviato: martedì 13 maggio 2003 21.08 A: marta_andrea(a)libero.it Oggetto: Welcome to the "PD-list" mailing list (Digest mode) Welcome to the PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at mailing list! Welcome to the PureData-mailinglist. Did you know, that there are other pd-related lists on http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/listinfo ? To post to this list, send your email to: pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at General information about the mailing list is at: http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/options/pd-list/marta_andrea%40libero.i t You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: PD-list-request(a)iem.kug.ac.at with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: 6(Scemo) If you forget your password, don't worry, you will receive a monthly reminder telling you what all your iem.kug.ac.at mailing list passwords are, and how to unsubscribe or change your options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. You may also have your password mailed to you automatically from the Web page noted above.

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readanysf~ + icc
by Tim Blechmann 13 May '03

13 May '03

i can't get readanyfs~ working on my pd (that was compiler with icc). when i create a readanysf~ object i always get a segmentation fault... did anyone have the same problem? i tried to compile it with both g++ 3.2.3 and with icc 7.1. nothing works... maybe someone can send me a precompiled binary to check if it's an icc specific problem... Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net ICQ: 96771783 http://www.nyds-exp-discogs.tk -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" Jack Kerouac

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Re: [PD] total newbie: making pd work
by stm_sq^n 13 May '03

13 May '03

Hello Andrea, Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 9:39:12 PM, you wrote: AV> Hi to all, AV> I've just subscribed. AV> Ok, it's an idiot question. I downloaded the zip for win and read the FAQ: AV> "To use Pd at this stage you will need some patience and a sense of AV> adventure. You might also need to be comfortable compiling and debugging AV> software written for C and UNIX". AV> Now, I've got the sense of adventure and a lot of patience but I am not AV> confortable in compiling C. AV> Effectively, at the very moment I don't know what to do. nothing for now :) AV> Is it possible to try to use pd anycase? I mean: are there some resources on AV> the web like "pd for *real* dummies: how to compile it"? you don't need to compile pd yourself, just get those binaries http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Software/pd-0.36-0.msw.zip and have a look at this http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/index.htm (links from miller's site) aymeric.

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Re: [PD] total newbie: making pd work
by arm pdlist 13 May '03

13 May '03

Hi and welcome to the forum. :) Since you downloaded a zip file, you're using windows, right? If so, you don't need to compile it. Just unzip the file to any directory, go the the 'bin' directory, and run pd.exe. That's it, you're running pd. Now, if you want to write some externals of your own, then you can start thinking about C and compiling. Also, compiling pd to work only affects the linux users (i believe so, since i don't use linux). For windows users you don't need to compile it. > --- Andrea Valle <marta_andrea(a)libero.it> wrote: > > Hi > to all, > > I've just subscribed. > > Ok, it's an idiot question. I downloaded the zip > for > > win and read the FAQ: > > "To use Pd at this stage you will need some > patience > > and a sense of > > adventure. You might also need to be comfortable > > compiling and debugging > > software written for C and UNIX". > > Now, I've got the sense of adventure and a lot of > > patience but I am not > > confortable in compiling C. > > Effectively, at the very moment I don't know what > to > > do. > > > > Is it possible to try to use pd anycase? I mean: > are > > there some resources on > > the web like "pd for *real* dummies: how to > compile > > it"? > > Any suggestion is the most welcome. > > > > Thanks a lot and sorry. > > > > -a- > > > > > > > > -----Messaggio originale----- > > Da: pd-list-admin(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.kug.ac.at]Per > > conto di pd-list-request(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > Inviato: martedÃ¬ 13 maggio 2003 21.08 > > A: marta_andrea(a)libero.it > > Oggetto: Welcome to the "PD-list" mailing list > > (Digest mode) > > > > > > Welcome to the PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at mailing list! > > Welcome to the > > PureData-mailinglist. > > > > Did you know, that there are other pd-related > lists > > on > > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/listinfo ? > > > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > > > > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your > > options (eg, switch to > > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), > > visit your > > subscription page at: > > > > > > > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/options/pd-list/marta_andrea%40libero.i > > t > > > > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by > > sending a message to: > > > > PD-list-request(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't > > include the > > quotes), and you will get back a message with > > instructions. > > > > You must know your password to change your options > > (including changing > > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > > > 6(Scemo) > > > > If you forget your password, don't worry, you will > > receive a monthly > > reminder telling you what all your iem.kug.ac.at > > mailing list > > passwords are, and how to unsubscribe or change > your > > options. There > > is also a button on your options page that will > > email your current > > password to you. > > > > You may also have your password mailed to you > > automatically from the > > Web page noted above. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list mailing list > > PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Plus > For a better Internet experience > http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

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[OT] icem, folkwang-hochschule
by Tim Blechmann 13 May '03

13 May '03

Hi list, sorry for this off topic posting, but is there someone on this list who studies or has studied at the folkwang-hochschule, essen, it you be nice if you'd contact me off list. sorry again.... Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net ICQ: 96771783 http://www.nyds-exp-discogs.tk -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" Jack Kerouac

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pd, tcl/tk, the gui, quartz and you
by chris clepper 13 May '03

13 May '03

I did a little test to figure out why updating the pd gui causes so much CPU activity on OSX. The test consists of four groups of metro, random, and some number boxes placed around the patcher window. To run the test, you need to run the patch and a little app called Quartz Debug, which is part of the Developer Tools (it's in /Developer/Applications/). This fantastic tool shows which parts of the screen are updated by flashing the area as a colored box. In the Quartz Debug window, check the box next to 'Flash identical updates' for this test. Open the patch and start the first number box in the upper left spinning - you will see the number box flashing red as it updates. Now stop that one and go to the middle set of objects and start the metro - notice that there is a red rectangle connecting the two number boxes as they update. Next go to the objects in the upper right and repeat the test - don't do this if you are epileptic!! At this point, you might be thinking, it's the patch cord connecting them that's the problem. Well start the metro in the top left and the bottom right and witness the wrath of Quartz Debug! Run the tests again with top open and see how much CPU is being drained. Ok what does the red box and the test really mean? It shows that there is a huge amount of wasted cycles updating part of the gui that doesn't need updating. I don't really know where this inefficiency comes from - it could be tcl/tk* or the way pd uses tcl/tk or ???. Maybe someone with more knowledge can have a look into this, and figure out what's going on, or at least give me a hint where to look. *My suspicion is that it's tcl/tk at fault here. Incidentally, the WishShell spends most of it's time converting RGB pixels to ARGB while the huge red rects are being updated. Seems truly wasteful. cgc

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Re: [PD] PD Launcher/External Manager
by bbogart＠ryerson.ca 13 May '03

13 May '03

Hey David, tcl/tk and aiming for Windows/OSX/Linux Not sure if linux would be needed, or SGI as they are the more teachnical OSs anyhow. ----- Original Message ----- From: David McCallum <8dngm(a)qlink.queensu.ca> Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:15 am Subject: Re: [PD] PD Launcher/External Manager > > My Pd launcher's no more than a custom DOS .bat file that > let's > you turn Framestein and ASIO drivers on/off at runtime. What > you're > describing is a great idea but beyond my skills... > > And as a windows user I have to ask this, how cross- > platform are > you intending this to be? > > At 20:33 12/05/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >I know someone on the list is working on/has made a PD-laucher. > (David > >McCallum?) > > . > . David McCallum > . Music wants to be free > . http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta/ > . > >

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Online Gig Project
by Alex 13 May '03

13 May '03

Hello list, Thanks to Olaf Matthes' objects Shout*~ , I have done a PD patch which allows three different groups of musicians to play together on the Internet at the same time from different locations. Besides streaming in and out, the patch records the bands on a tempo and re-synchronizes the incoming streams. Delays take part in the musical composition: the idea is that even if the 3 streams are not played-back like in real conditions, the music that comes out still makes sense as it is synchronized. Another feature of the patch gives the possibility to hold incoming streams during <n> bars, the way they can be played-back at a precise moment in the playing. This allows the three groups of musician to play with a structure (and different notes). A demonstration will involve musician David Kristian from Montreal, and the band VoodooMuzak split in two halves: bass and drums 1 in London and bariton and drums 2 in Biarritz (France). In London the gig will take place on the Sunday 6 and Tuesday 8 July at Common Wealth Conference Center in Kensington High Street during the London College of Music and Media end of year showcase. You are welcome to come. It is a free entrance. The three different compositions will also be broadcasted for Internet audience. Delays due to CPU performance, connexion speed and network congestion have never been considered as creative tools in previous attempts but rather as drawbacks of today technology. The main purpose of the project is precisely to give those technical features a particular artistic role within the musical composition process. Computers become a medium rather than a tool. Having said that, I still have to defend the artistic concept behind it: - I have so far been told that it was more a technical project (looking at PD) than an artistic one. That reminded me some discussion few weeks ago that triggered different thoughts about PD from the list' s users. - Also, I have been told that the interest of such a project could only be profitable for musicians not for listeners. I have planed to set up an installation for the showcase which allows users to listen -from a location of their choice to 3 different streams coming as well from locations of their choice. This will be a simulation which will hopefully help people to find a proper interest in that system of playing /listening music. I would really like to know what do you think about it. If you think this is more a technical project rather than a artistic one, in either case I would very much like to know your argument. Thanks a lot. Alex PS: more info there: http://www.idoia.com/tvu/VMN.pdf

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RE: pure-data.org
by Marcus Estes 13 May '03

13 May '03

Regarding a pure-data user portal, I'm inclined to think that a single person doesn't have to devote all their time to maintaining it to keep it vital. A good example of an enormously active user community that doesn't require a lot of managing is metafilter.com. Because it's thread-based (like Slashdot), the users themselves are responsible for keeping the site active and up-to-date. As long as any given pd developer or user feels that they have a responsive audience, I think an open system that will allow them to post their own discussion topics and software will be more than enough motivation to ask everyone to pitch in. Let's lay out some objectives for the site. It seems like we can split the user's needs into two categories: music and development. For the musicians, one element that I find sorely lacking in the pd community is a place where users can exchange patches. (A small amount of pd patch exchanging can be found on www.em411.com. It's nice, but not enough.) If we can develop a system where the user can not only upload the patch and all of the necessary abstractions, but also name the build version and libraries involved, it should be easy enough to get everyone on the same page. In order to convince developers to use the site for their purposes, we'll need to create an environment similar to what's hosted over at sourceforge. Devs should be able to list projects, have others comment on them, and note version changes whenever they like. The devs section could be a very handy reference for those looking to download missing components of a patch that they'd like to use. These two elements together should do wonders for those looking to learn about pd. In addition, we should create a learning environment where people can upload docs and patch-based lessons. As for the software needed for this kind of venture, could "Freefilter" (http://www.bigbold.com/freefilter/) be modified to accomplish all of this? I've been considering developing a pd community along these lines, so I'd be more than willing to help out wherever I can. ---Marcus Message: 1 Subject: Re: Re[4]: [PD] pure-data.org From: jfm3 <jfm3(a)ouroboros-complex.org> To: PD list <pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at> Date: 12 May 2003 23:05:17 -0400 >I agree with the basic assessment: developers will publish and share >their work in whatever way strikes them as easiest at the moment. >They're primarily interested in developing, after all. A common CVS tree >is miracle enough! >What I thought would be useful was a portal for users of pure data. I >think I was wrong, or at least, unable to power the idea as much as it >needed. Not just a portal for users is needed, but a portal for users >edited by someone who is a developer, who also packages pd and it's >externals for different platforms (eliminating significant user hassle), >and has the patience to do so in a strong long-term commitment. >Thousands registered at pure-data.org. The not-a-developer user >community is obviously there. But the unanswered question is, will a >combination of a portal and a set of pd+externals package maintainers >would successfully meet a need of those users? Probably. >So at that point, why not build a portal around one of the existing >libre-audio-software-packaging projects, and perhaps a set of >contemporary artistic philosophies, i.e., subjective content as well as >objective content? This is what I'm hoping to build. Of course, it will >take even more energy than pure-data.org did, so I'm trying to build it >with a distributed editorial process. We all joust at windmills. One of >mine seems to be shaped like an internet community. >I also suggest against bickering over the site engine implementation >language. Just get something reasonable from the open source community, >make your 20 lines of changes, and then get back to worrying about >content! Those who use the site won't care about variable declaration >semantics! >All my hot air aside, one of you say the word and I'll transfer the >domain. The site you build is more important than the clever domain! I >will keep the existing thing up for another month or so...

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