Pd-list September 2002

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installing PD (part2)
by dima 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi and thanks for all the responses! ... which soundcard are you using? you could have a list of them by typing "pd -listdev". maybe then try to select a certain soundcard with "-soundindev 1 -soundoutdev 1". or try just "pd -noadc" which doesn't open a sound-input-device.. I got it to work with <pd noadc> I also got one sound card to work with <pd soundindev 4 soundoutdev 3> 2 Questions: 1) I have 2 sound cards (M Audio Audiophile 2496 and a Crystal SoundFusion). The SoundFusion works fine with pd by itself. I bought the Audiophile for its MIDI in/out and because it was suppose to have a better ADC. The AudioPhile is causing the <audio I/O stuck closing> I also tried <pd soundindev 1 soundoutdev 1 audiobuf 200> but I still get the same error. Is there anything else I can do to get the audiophile card to work by itself? 2) is it theoretically possible to run the audio in through one card and out through a second? My sound cards are M Audio Audiophile 2496 and a Crystal SoundFusion (came with computer) Below is the output for <pd listdev> MIDI input device #1: Midi In Delta-AP MIDI input device #1: SoundFusion External MIDI MIDI output device #1: Midi Out Delta-AP MIDI output device #2: SoundFusion External MIDI MIDI output device #3: Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth Audio input device #1: PCM In ½ Delta-AP Audio input device #2: S/PDIF in Delta-AP Audio input device #3: Mon.Mixer Delta-AP Audio input device #4: Crystal SoundFusion(tm) Audio output device #1: WavOut ½ Delta-AP Audio output device #2: WavOut S/PDIF Delta-AP Audio output device #3: Crystal SoundFusion(tm) Not using MIDI input (use pd midiindev 1 to override) D:/pd Audio I/O stuck closing audio Thanks again in advance dima

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pianoroll question
by Chris McCormick 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

posting this to the list incase the answer helps anyone else. Yves, Is there a way of getting pianoroll~, cooled~ etc. to save their state (patterns, data etc)? Or should I code this myself? Regards, Chris. _________________________________ chris(a)mccormick.cx http://www.mccormick.cx http://www.sciencegirlrecords.com

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RE: [PD] [OT] Sensitivity to timbre and adequacy of instruments to musics
by mark 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Ah - found your question. First and foremost I am not sure computer generated music is the way to go - it would be far easier to get a musician to record some MIDI files for you and then you can play them back in different ways - presumably there are plenty of musicians in a university... failing that I would expect you will have to make different models for the different types of music. The Markov Chain approach will work for some of them but it misses out huge chunks of what different music types are about - for example punk is musically very simple but what stops if being dull as dishwater is the anger and energy put into it by the performers - computer generated punk is probably a lot harder than generating something like Bach or Phillip Glass style music which is more about the structure and composition. Like wise the blues is very simple musically but is about the experience of the musician - I would suggest that computer generated blues would be very close in experience to "Richard Clayderman plays..." (elevator music of the lowest kind) cheers mark -----Original Message----- From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.kug.ac.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.kug.ac.at] On Behalf Of Nicolau Werneck Sent: 02 September 2002 18:37 To: pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at Subject: [PD] [OT] Sensitivity to timbre and adequacy of instruments to musics Hello, people. Sorry if I'm off-topic, but I think maybe I could reach people here who would be interested on this. I'm beginning a research at my university, and I'm looking for comments and suggestions from other people. The research goal is to catalog correlations between kinds of music (that is, musics with similar structures) and the timbre of instruments that are selected by people to play them. Basically, we are going to play computer generated music to listeners, and ask them if the instrument used is adequate to the music. We expect to find, for example, that surf music is better with a lot of reverberation, punk rock is better with a lot of overdrive, blues is better with just a bit of overdrive, and so on... The project will be developed in two parts: first we will measure the sensitivity that people have to variations on the parameters of the models of the effects. Then we will play the musics, and find the correlations. It looks like the worst problem we will find is on the composition of the musics. I'm thinking about finding stochastic models to various styles of music, and than program a music generator. Does anybody here have any experience on generating random music in PD? What would be the best approach? Making an external program that export the song in MIDI, and bring it to PD? ...Thank you, bye!! -- Nicolau Werneck <nwerneck(a)cefala.org> E073 FADE 7B75 5482 5631 http://cefala.org/~nwerneck D3C4 6E9A 8EFC 0351 C15D "The great end of life is not knowledge but action." -- Thomas Huxley _______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list

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installing PD
by dima 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

Hello, I am having problems getting audio (tones not midi) out. * i can open all paches * midi out works in test patch * test tones do NOT work in test patch * pd -help works (i've set my path variable) * when I open pd the command line outputs: not using MIDI input (use 'pd -midiindev 1' to override) D:/pd audio I/O stuck... closing audio *the command line window stays open but the prompt does not return (accepts no more command line input) * Im running win 2000 pro *also I searched the list archive for audio I/O stuck and found nothing are there better terms to use to search the archives? Thanks in advance dima

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Re: [0xFF] GridFlow 0.6.1
by Mathieu Bouchard 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

Artengine.ca's CVS server is back on its feet. Sorry for the inconvenience. http://artengine.ca/jmax/gridflow/ ________________________________________________________________ Mathieu Bouchard http://artengine.ca/matju

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[OT] Sensitivity to timbre and adequacy of instruments to musics
by Nicolau Werneck 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

Hello, people. Sorry if I'm off-topic, but I think maybe I could reach people here who would be interested on this. I'm beginning a research at my university, and I'm looking for comments and suggestions from other people. The research goal is to catalog correlations between kinds of music (that is, musics with similar structures) and the timbre of instruments that are selected by people to play them. Basically, we are going to play computer generated music to listeners, and ask them if the instrument used is adequate to the music. We expect to find, for example, that surf music is better with a lot of reverberation, punk rock is better with a lot of overdrive, blues is better with just a bit of overdrive, and so on... The project will be developed in two parts: first we will measure the sensitivity that people have to variations on the parameters of the models of the effects. Then we will play the musics, and find the correlations. It looks like the worst problem we will find is on the composition of the musics. I'm thinking about finding stochastic models to various styles of music, and than program a music generator. Does anybody here have any experience on generating random music in PD? What would be the best approach? Making an external program that export the song in MIDI, and bring it to PD? ...Thank you, bye!! -- Nicolau Werneck <nwerneck(a)cefala.org> E073 FADE 7B75 5482 5631 http://cefala.org/~nwerneck D3C4 6E9A 8EFC 0351 C15D "The great end of life is not knowledge but action." -- Thomas Huxley

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Re: [PD] installing PD
by marius schebella 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

uups. sorry, the flag for the soundevices is -audioindev and not -soundindev > maybe then try to select a certain soundcard with > "-soundindev 1 -soundoutdev 1". or try just "pd -noadc" which doesn't open a

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realtime video mixing
by Ryan Marsh 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

I'd like to take a bunch of my mpegs and other video input sources and mix them by hand in real-time. is this possible with pd, and if so what plugins, etc... should i use? -ryan -- Humans are the unfortunate result of a local maximum in the fitness landscape. www.ryanmarsh.com

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Re: fontz for pd
by Andre Schmidt 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

hi marius, hi all, due my reallife taking all my time i only got time to read my e-mails with my computer @ the moment, so that pd-font has to wait... and there are still some big questions if i even realize it (or how we realize it). 1. because pd(tcl/tk) uses fonts installed on system, the font has to be installed IN system; so this would be against millers PD policy !? (and i heard installing fonts on linux is a pain in the a..) [but on win32 its only 1 copy-action] 2. i dont 100% know what is the multiple-bitamapFont format that linux uses (win32 uses .FON) but besides all questions i see only 2 ways how we do this: 1. the font has to be installed in system and pd usage stays the same or 2. some1 codes a "fontDisplaying-unit" for/in PD so it would load the font from pd-dir... (or is there a way to use fonts with tcl/tk that are NOT installed in system?) but i remember miller saying that he would want pd to have its own font someday, so i wouldnt want to drop this project rightaway. i just want to know HOW we do it before i start (again) to marius question: copy the font (******.FON) to "/windows/fonts" rename ALL "courier" in pd.tk with the font-name (not the filename!) but with the fonts internal name. you should see it when you go with explorer to "/windows/font" i think my fonts name was "test57" or "piidii"... thats it ! oh, and delete ALL "bold" from pd.tk too... and i think my font was only for size 8... cheers -andre ps. marius, if you need more help. dont hesitate to ask! ----- Original Message ----- From: "marius schebella" <marius.schebella(a)chello.at> To: <andre(a)vju.info> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: fontz for pd > hi, > what exactly happened to your pd-font? as far as i remember, it looked very > good and i would like to use it, but don't know how to change the tk-file to > get it to run. > sme. >

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RE: [PD] [OT] Sensitivity to timbre and adequacy of instruments to musics
by mark 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

Hi, missed the original question but I have been looking at using "generators" to produce music - I'm not looking for totally random things - my main goal is to produce structures with a human feel that I can play around with. I tend to write externals for PD rather than doing stuff outside PD and use them to drive VST instruments but you could just as easily generate MIDI output. I have been having fairly successful results using Markov Chains. AFAICR Koan assigns different notes different probabilites cheers mark -----Original Message----- From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.kug.ac.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.kug.ac.at] On Behalf Of David N G McCallum Sent: 03 September 2002 15:21 To: Nicolau Werneck Cc: pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] [OT] Sensitivity to timbre and adequacy of instruments to musics Have you looked at Koan? (not a Pd thing) It's generative. I think it outputs MIDI data. I don't have much experience with it, though, so I can't tell you much more than that. . . David McCallum . Noise Maker . http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta/ . On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Nicolau Werneck wrote: > It looks like the worst problem we will find is on the composition of > the musics. I'm thinking about finding stochastic models to various > styles of music, and than program a music generator. Does anybody here > have any experience on generating random music in PD? What would be > the best approach? Making an external program that export the song in > MIDI, and bring it to PD? _______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list

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