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schhhhhhh
by integer＠www.god-emil.dk 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

>Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:59:06 +0200 >From: Peter Castine <chair(a)icmc2000.org> >Subject: Re: [a sense of adventure] error > >Returning to the suggestion made on around 1<AD>7<AD>2002 20:58, by david >stevens : >> >>i know that Stephen has been very busy with Karma, but i'm wondering if >>MegaMax will be updated further. how about rolling it into the max >>distribution????? > >I suppose the answer is that, in a way, that's more or less what's >happened. > >Cycling '74 appears to have looked at MegaMax, picked and choosen those >parts of it that they liked or felt would be particularly useful in Max4 >(the ideas, at least), tweaked things around a bit, and re-implemented >'em. > >This sort of thing happens all the time (Cf. MacOS and File Exchange, cf. >WIndows and Web Browsers, cf. MacOS and E-Mail software... there is >another example on the tip of my tongue...). It is generally frustrating >to the 3rd party, never mind the line about "imitation is the highest >form of praise." > >The problem with being a 3rd party is that success can be your greatest >enemy. If you add features to the hosting system that lots and lots of >people want, the host's producer is likely to turn around and integrate >those self same features in the next release. Most causes and side >effects are Business Management 101. In general, the 3rd party developer >is faced with either inventing new and distinctively enhanced features >(or being "better" in some other way), or to look towards different >projects. > >I am aware that this fate may some day await my own modest offerings. I >would prefer other forms of praise. > >Thoughtfully, > >Peter praise - i can purchase the rights to your `modest offerings` if you like. i havent seen the objekts but ... email ecdysone(a)eusocial.com some numbers if you like + i'll konsider it. nn oops. he is starting to twitch [why do you think he licenses everything - to feed his offspring of course. >Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 16:06:43 -0700 >From: David Zicarelli <zicarell(a)cycling74.com> uuuuuuaaaaaueeeeee zoueeeeee. zomeone give the lord a hand klap. >Subject: Re: [IMMUNE _ PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] Max and PD > >> and I _am_ inspired by it. I had expected that the main trick to making >> money with an open source product is to sell nicely packaged bundles to >> big businesses that are prepared to pay multiple kilobucks and more >> rather than put things together themselves. That is, indeed, central to >> the example in the newsforge article. Adapting that model to a product >> living in the Max/MSP world is neither trivial nor even straight forward. > >I have a lot more to say about this than I have time to do right now, but >I too read the article and I would shoot myself if I had to write software >that boring -- you have to ask yourself, what's more interesting, the >work or the business model? A lot of open source people are so proud >of their "community" but I'm sorry, what kind of a party is this community >going to be having? > >I like being part of a community that could at least provide its own >entertainment. > >David Z. ha _+ despair you mustn't father. you + your employees + konsultants shall be legally entertwined beginning this summer yes.yes.yes for ... the god of benadryl only knows how long - weeks. months. years. dekades. nn - playing with diamonds

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by integer＠www.god-emil.dk 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Mark Khemma <mkhemma(a)orion.it.luc.edu> - another superlativ amerikan seamurf >Sounds like antiorp's programming is getting pretty old and redundant as when your body forgets >well, hehe >-mark.k to remember

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by integer＠www.god-emil.dk 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

"mark" <mark(a)junklight.com> >"why would you. max and msp are just as simply.old and ugly as their >parent - pd." > >Once (many years ago) an interesting art experiment - now >coming across like that bitter and twisted divorce in the bar >who will moan at anyone that will listen... my ability to moan is naturally remarkable. >Integer/antiorp/whatever - ever heard of quiting whilst you >are at the top (although its way to late for that) max and msp are just as simply.old and ugly as their parent - pd >"mark" <mark(a)junklight.com> you are too old + ugly to life the future have a seat + admire my shoes. nn - - - /_/ / \ \/ i should like to be a human plant \/ __ __/ i will shed leaves in the shade \_\ because i like stepping on bugs *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova(a)eusocial.com http://www.eusocial.com http://www.ggttctttat.com/! n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*--

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compiling errors for expr~ on win
by Mark Khemma 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Hello, I'm attempting to build the expr~ external on my win machine and i'm getting errors from nmake: cl /W3 /WX /DNT /DPD /nologo /I. /I..\tcl\include /I\pd_35\pd\src /I"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\Vc98"\include /c vexp_fun.c vexp_fun.c vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2220: warning treated as error - no object file generated vexp_fun.c(374) : warning C4003: not enough actual parameters for macro 'FUNC_EVAL' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ')' before identifier 'left' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2440: 'type cast' : cannot convert from 'struct ex_ex *' to 'float ' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2181: illegal else without matching if vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ')' before identifier 'left' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2440: 'type cast' : cannot convert from 'struct ex_ex *' to 'float ' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2181: illegal else without matching if vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2043: illegal break vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2046: illegal case vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2046: illegal case vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '}' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2065: 'right' : undeclared identifier vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2223: left of '->ex_cont' must point to struct/union vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2065: 'e' : undeclared identifier vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2223: left of '->exp_vsize' must point to struct/union vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : 'while' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : 'break' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : 'case' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '}' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : 'case' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : 'break' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : 'case' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2374: 'op' : redefinition; multiple initialization vexp_fun.c(374) : see declaration of 'op' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '->' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2065: 'left' : undeclared identifier vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2223: left of '->ex_cont' must point to struct/union vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : 'switch' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : 'break' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : 'case' vexp_fun.c(374) : error C2059: syntax error : '}' vexp_fun.c(375) : error C2059: syntax error : '}' vexp_fun.c(395) : warning C4003: not enough actual parameters for macro 'FUNC_EVAL' All the errors are pointing at this line in vexp_fun.c FUNC_EVAL(left, right, min, /**/, /**/, optr); Anybody know how i can fix this, or where i have gone wrong? Thanks, Mark .k

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Re:[PD]old laptops
by a. s 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

On 05/07/02 00:09, "Bryan Jurish" wrote: > > On 4 July 2002 at 21:11:47, a. s wrote: >> >> slightly ot, i am looking for pc laptops >> pref used to testdrive pd,,,, >> anyone might have a good pointer >> for old machines ? >> p2,p3 is ok i guess. > > i don't have one to sell, but you might try e-bay... > i've personally had success running pd under linux on > a dell latitude (purchased via ebay), p2/300, the > machine had a neomagic onboard sound chip, which is > supported by alsa... > > marmosets, > Bryan > thanks but ever since a friend of mine got his money burned up through ebay i]d rather not take that chance... guess ill try and hunt down cash converters around here and see if they have anything... thanks for the tip though a.s. -- Crie o seu email gratuito no mail.pt http://www.mail.pt

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by integer＠www.god-emil.dk 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

From: Michal Seta <mis(a)creazone.com> Subject: Re: [puckette vs licensed.puckette] Max vs PD >But I am not trying to attack Max/MSP or anything else. why would you. max and msp are just as simply.old and ugly as their parent - pd. >I haven't tried Max4/MS >P2 and I heard rumors that it's much more stable than the previous versions. more smiles. it is more unstable + far uglier. try it. nn

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old laptops
by a. s 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

slightly ot, i am looking for pc laptops pref used to testdrive pd,,,, anyone might have a good pointer for old machines ? p2,p3 is ok i guess. tusen tik a.s http://plan......../a-sier -- Crie o seu email gratuito no mail.pt http://www.mail.pt

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Re: [PD] convolve
by Chris McCormick 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

Ben, on the Csound list someone was discussing convolving little windows of each sound together to do it in real time. Not sure about the details, but i can forward you the relevant emails if you're interested. Whilst your convolution idea here seems really cool, would anyone be interested in a convolve~ external? If I can find a little time and there is enough demand, I might well code one. Regards, Chris. At 22:31 1/07/2002 -0800, you wrote: >And here's the attachment :) > >On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 10:26:08PM -0800, bsaylor(a)Macalester.edu wrote: > > I was trying to make a convolution patch (need to learn about FFT, but I > > don't have my DSP book with me) and came up with this. I'm not even > > sure this is the right idea for doing realtime convolution - maybe > > someone has a better one. It uses Joseph Sarlo's windowing library. > > > > I would like to use convolution with impulse response sounds to create > > reverb - is this even possible/feasible in realtime? > > > > Ben > > > > On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 12:21:08PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > > > Hello again, > > > I can't seem to find anything in the docs about convolution. Is it > possible > > > in Pd? What are the techniques? Is it actually in the docs but i am just > > > blind? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chris. > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Chris McCormick - Systems Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd > > > Internet Solutions for your business! > > > Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia > > > Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 > > > Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au > > > PGP Key = http://www.perthweb.com.au/~chris/public.txt > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Chris McCormick - Systems Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd Internet Solutions for your business! Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au PGP Key = http://www.perthweb.com.au/~chris/public.txt

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Re: [PD] convolve
by Chris McCormick 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

At 01:32 4/07/2002 -0800, bsaylor(a)macalester.edu wrote: >On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 04:39:22PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > > Ben, on the Csound list someone was discussing convolving little > windows of > > each sound together to do it in real time. Not sure about the details, but > > i can forward you the relevant emails if you're interested. > >Thanks, please do :) Forwarding to you off list. > > Whilst your convolution idea here seems really cool, would anyone be > > interested in a convolve~ external? If I can find a little time and there > > is enough demand, I might well code one. > >I don't know what an external would offer over an abstraction, but I'd >be interested to see what you come up with. I should think mainly a speed increase. I'll let you know if/when I start on it. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Chris McCormick - Systems Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd Internet Solutions for your business! Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au PGP Key = http://www.perthweb.com.au/~chris/public.txt

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polyphony
by Chris McCormick 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

Hello again, Is there a simpler way of getting midi polyphony to happen than the sampler-poly example? Anyone got any examples they can post regarding simple polyphonic midi examples in Pd? Regards, Chris. ______________________________________________________ Chris McCormick - Systems Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd Internet Solutions for your business! Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au PGP Key = http://www.perthweb.com.au/~chris/public.txt

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