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ok, Dan, i can feel you there. but let's not mix up the GUI-core separation with the GEM on OS X question. As much as their consequences are similar, they are fundamentally different in their implementation, no?
Questions that comes to my mind when I see the GUI-core separation discussion is this: Let's assume - totally hypothetically spoken - there is a company or individual who would sponsor this effort.
- Is there someone capable of completing the task?
- Would the result of this work be accepted by Miller and become vanilla?
- How long would that take?
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Am 2014년 02월 23일 21:37, schrieb Dan Wilcox:
On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:11 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
Do you have an example of a patch that suffers from Pd's current single-threaded implementation that would be measurably improved by using a multi-threaded approach?
Ask any of the people who have to run two instances of Pd in order to have both GEM and audio without dropouts. And this is in 2014 with modern computers orders of magnitude more capable than when Pd was first designed.
Also, what is the metric to use here?
Mmm open a larger patch with audio running, momentary dropouts.
Also, this is perhaps better to ask a beginner trying to pickup PD after starting with Max MSP, they may not give you "meaningful metrics" but their impression may be along the lines of "not only does this program look old, but it keeps clicking when I'm dragging things around". Etc etc
Things maybe acceptable to us PD "grey beards", but at some point it would be nice to find a way to enter the modern, multicore multithreaded world. Moores law has shifted from clock speed to "just add more cores" years ago now, so it's not like "buy a faster machine" is going to magically solve single threaded speed issues.
At the very least, we should be able to run a performance intensive GEM patch with real time audio without drop outs *while* editing. Oh wait, that's called Max MSP. :D And that is perhaps the reasonable stance taken by a certain teaching institution I just left who is really only interested in PD on places where Max currently can't be used, like Raspberry PI.
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