How about submitted this to the bug tracker with a description of the
problem, and all relevant versions and info?
.hc
On Oct 15, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Steffen Leve Poulsen wrote:
hi this crashes on XP vh/ Steffen
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At 05:07 15-10-2006, you wrote:
Well, what I need is a simple patch that crashes reliably on XP,
preferably with Pd 0.40-1. (I think test5 had another crash bug that I
tracked down only after several days...)cheers Miller On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 03:34:10AM +0200, Steffen Leve Poulsen wrote:
hi, Pd version 0.40-0test05 on XP no externals just a lot of abstrations. I have some crash, if you need help debugging. What are you looking for?
nb It's not difficult to fry XP with cpu intensive stuff. mvh/ Steffen
At 01:29 15-10-2006, you wrote:
Well, I managed to crash 0.40-0 once on XP, although I can't
replicate
the problem... my plan is to make a patch that automatically
opens and
closes patches adn other files repeatedly to see if that can
engender
crashes. It's been pretty tough to debug things like that on
XP (the last
such problem went away when I used the debugger). However,
0.39 ended
up getting updated twice before it was exactly right (0.39-2)
and perhaps
the same will end up happening with 0.40...
cheers Miller
On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 12:58:22PM -0500, David Powers wrote:
First, let me say that I have got some things running really
stable -
ie. generative MIDI output, and Gem, once I upgraded to the experimental version, and modified some things in my patches,
to get
around limitations of that version.
However, my biggest problem with PD is still that things
crash all the
time, but nobody ever can say why, and I'm not sure if things
are
improving. Particularly, when working with digital audio,
there seem
to be some problems, as well as in the opening and closing, and modifying of files, generally. I'm not sure if this is a
WinXP issue,
or what - but I'm having such problems even with "core" PD, no externals added, just modifying Miller's example patches. The frustrating thing is, others don't seem to be able to
replicate it,
and sometimes even I can't replicate the error.
But still - unstable is unstable, and for a live performance or installation, that's a BIG problem. What am I to do if PD
crashes in
the middle of a 45 minutes piece with live musicians???
The end result is that I may be forced to use commercial
software like
Reaktor, when it would be nice to use something open source,
and where
I would be ready to share the results of my patches with the PD community.
~David
On 10/14/06, Adrian nordbaer@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry for this more like OT, it's just my thought about
improving
PD and it's externals in another way.
I'm struggling ...
PD is one of the best tools for making people learn/experiment/perform/interact digital/electronic art at
it's best.
But where are the people that are PD's target. I'm trying to
suggest
that PD should try to follow a Popper-alike way of
developing. Make it
easy accessable for the people and use their input. Except
if PD and
it's externals are purely egoistic developments, which i
don't think
is the case ;)
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