good morning patrice
On Jun 9, 2007, at 4:48 PM, patrice colet wrote:
(assuming that this message didn't arrive to the list, sorry if you've received this mail twice, I've also corrected the end of the message)
Hi eni,
Le samedi 09 juin 2007 à 11:26 +0200, Enrique Erne a écrit :
hi patko
if you miss an abstraction there is something wrong with your setup.
No, I seriously think that if I miss an abstraction, there is something wrong with the documentation, or comments, and I am not talking about net-pd. I'd rather rebuild my own set of abstractions than looking for the missing patch if I have to surf internet, ask questions to pd-list for getting answers.
i thought you got the patch through netpd's creator.
please tell me which patch is missing an abstraction and where you got it from, sp i can fix it. at least it should be mentioned in the wiki.
An undocumented patch is almost always a waste of time for every pd users. I can tell this for myself too.
i'm afraid all my patches have no comments, sorry. i tried to put the most important information to the netpd-wiki
i think i can say _every_ netpd-patch that uses abstractions has a subpatch [pd abslist] with a list of msgs containing all used abstractions.
when one netloads a patch, _creator.pd will read the abslist and
tells
all the users that it is going to upload a patch with the specific abstractions and version number.
Yes, that's a very cool functionning, it could save everyone a lot of time, and it would be even better if _creator.pd was able to update itself
i don't know if creator can update itself, but that sounds like micrsoft/apple "new software has been installed, your computer is ready to restart" :-)
, and why not letting it update absolutely all the files (even the ones in the bin directory)? It would certainly require a 'pd repositories'.
netclient/netserver sends ascii data which we use for patches and control information.
Instead of uploading abstraction from a net-pd user's computer, it might be better if the abstraction were uploaded from a net-pd repository. Any one that would like to add abstractions to net-pd would have to submit them to an active authority of the net-pd project, then it would avoid a lot of mistakes, and the autor would still be referenced but rather in a net-pd database than into the patch, were more usefull information could be displayed.
i personally don't like the idea of an authority deciding which patches get accepted for the netpd project.
i prefer the free direct system it now has. if you fix a bug just increase the version msg and netload it again. every user connected get's the fix.
all the user have the same rights. no royalty. no "animalfarm" also the server is only the gate to others.. it doesn't do much else than sending the incoming msgs to the connected users.
a while back we had a user running 24/7. that one would get automatically all patches ever netloaded. i'd love to have this user online again and maybe even with its netpd directory in public_html so everybody could get these files.
what information would you like to see in the patches ?
I simply would like to be able to understand without having to browse all patches and subpatches hundreds of times for having a clue about how the objects are functionning. For example if I want to put an FX-insert into an net-pd instrument I've made, I take a look at how it has been implemented in other intruments and in the mixer, and I give up after two hours because it's a real mess, there is absolutely no explanations anywhere.
it's not quite true that there is absolutely no explanation. see links http://www.netpd.org/mx http://www.netpd.org/I2mx http://www.netpd.org/HowtoBuildFx4Mx
Just seeing 'information' would be a good start, ;).
yes sure! i'm sorry that i didn't comment my patches... but in example of the netpd-mixer you should be able to use it without having a look at mx.pd
all you need to make a instrument fully use the mx (as described in netpd.org/I2mx) is an abstraction [i2mx~ $0 yourinstrumentname]
i don't think that it is a good idea to put these instructions into the abstractions.
also you are very welcome to login the netpd chat and ask before you spend other 2 hours.
regards
eni