maybe it's where i'm new to plain ol debian and using it instead of ubuntu changed the repositories to stretch then upgraded the packages that were not 0.47-3 to 0.47-3 works great, seen the 0.47test2 thing and wanted to try the clone thing. logged in with fresh non root user apt-get build-dep puredata finds no puredata source package logged in as root its probably upgrading half of the debian installation how does being logged in as root affect make , autogen.sh, and configure?