On Jul 11, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
João Pais wrote:
I meant the latest usable (which I have installed) builds of pd-extended, and the last version of pd-vanilla-without-documentation-about-data-strucutures-and-so-on
(also being unfair). I haven't being using pd too much these days for sound, but in
the last builds of pd-ext I didn't notice anything that was behind pd-van.
before I was using pd-van .41 because of the symbol grab feature in the
data structures (which I only know about because I requested it, it's not documented). as this feature is now possible in the current build of pd-ext, I notice no differences between them.ok, but this seems to be a bit subjective evaluation.
To add a rant to the subjective evaluation: For an installation I currently have to run Pd on a Mac. We chose pd-extended as it has a good integration into OS-X, and as some of the other installations that will be shown on that machine need the externals pd-extended has included.
I don't need many externals, but the most important one isn't missing in pd-extended: pdlua, but as a "hardcore user" I could install it.
But here we stumbled over another important difference between 0.40 and 0.41:
EXTERN void class_set_extern_dir(t_symbol *s);
was introduced to m_pd.h in 0.41, iirc. At least it's missing in 0.40.
This function is used by pdlua to find lua-modules in the patch's directory instead of in the LUAPATH only, which becomes more important because it's overly complicated to start pd on OS-X (and on MS-Windows) from the command line in a certain working directory as I'm used to from Linux.
Somehow I didn't manage to make the package.path trick work, which I myself suggested as a fix once on pd-list, so in the end we copied every lua-module to /usr/local/share/lua/5.1.
As this installation involves 80-channel output, we also run jack, and cross our fingers that everything will hold up. In general I must say, working on the bloated OS-X is no joy for someone used to a snappy lean Linux system. If only the Fireface would support Linux...
Hear, hear! I also recently had to use Mac OS X for an installation,
that's why I wrote the "standalone app" generator. But I missed
using Debian. It is so helpful to be able to uninstall every single
piece of software that isn't necessary. The NY Times installation is
the perfect example: it was a Linux kernel, busybox, Python and Pd.
And basically nothing else :D
.hc
Rant end. ;)
Ciao
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