hi all
maybe I'm wrong, but translating the objects names looks quite weird to me. why not consider them as commands in a programming language (which are quite often in english, and everybody looks happy with this) ?
I think it's better, for exemple for international meetings, workshop, to have similar words for a "message" or even for "makefilename", to call stuff and share such knowledge.
do you imagine dealing with stuff like "I got a problem using "créerunnomdefichier"
- do you mean : "machedateiname"?
- oh yeah I mean : "makefilename"! "
or "you should copy-paste your console output.
- ok, it's here :
objet créerunnomdefichier ... n'a pas pu créer.
- wtf !!!???"
I agree with translating comments in help patches and stuff like that, but translating object names (which are actually keywords) in my opinion would really be annoying for the community.
+++++ clemos
On 12/13/05, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Andre Schmidt wrote:
if we make the gui (with the _VERY_ simple english) to multilangual, wouldnt we need to translate the objects too ?
Yes, as well as short descriptions, names of arguments, inlets, methods, outlets. That's before moving on to translating help files.
like, if you have in the menu "datei - öffnen", then the object "openpanel" should be "öffnenpanel" ?!
yes, but will be saved as "openpanel" so that the patch still works in another -lang. Then tooltips can make things bilingual too. It's not like I'm basing my translations on a translation framework that assumes only one language at a time.
what im after, if the users os is in german, they propably never heard about "file" (datei), so she/he needs object named "machedateiname", lol ?
not lol. (apart from the fact that [makefilename] doesn't even do anything filename-specific)
and i think multilangual gives more problems to ALL, than the user learning a little simple english...
How do you substantiate that statement?
so leave the gui (and objects) in english and just make multilanguage help files, tutorials etc...
No.
Putting translation info in help files makes it more difficult for Pd to assist the user more proactively, but also it puts an additional burden of translation on those who make help files, because using a phrase dictionary (like what DesireData does) makes it so that a given phrase only has to be translated once.
but then again, as long as theres english version, i dont really care :)
I'd rather have answers from people who care.
ps. my mother language is finnish, and i was unable to use a finnish language os...
Most brands of Linux install translations in about forty-twelve languages without asking your permission. For many programs this includes Finnish.
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