Just tried your new version, very nice, I think it's sorted, except
one tiny bug with the resizing of "Add new startup command". I think
you'll want to set a minimum window width, since you can resize it
smaller and make the OK button disappear.
You might look into the Tile/ttk widgets, they are now included in
Tcl/Tk 8.5. I'd like to use 8.5 for Pd-extended 0.41, so they would
be there. For example, a ttk::notebook could be used to host all of
the pref panes into a single window.
About the error, I just dropped your u_main.tk into Pd-vanilla
0.41-4, so that uses the version of Tcl/Tk included with Mac OS X,
8.4.7. I have Tcl/Tk 8.4.18 installed, it might be using that. But
I definitely don't have 8.5 Here's the error:
Startup panel:
can't use empty string as operand of "+"
can't use empty string as operand of "+"
while executing
"expr {$height + $top}"
(procedure "ScrollBox::dbl_click" line 8)
invoked from within
"ScrollBox::dbl_click .gfxstub5b1230 dlg_Startup::edit
dlg_Startup::add 65 45"
(command bound to event)
Path pane:
can't use empty string as operand of "+" can't use empty string as operand of "+" while executing "expr {$height + $top}" (procedure "ScrollBox::dbl_click" line 8) invoked from within "ScrollBox::dbl_click .gfxstub5b1930 dlg_Path::edit dlg_Path::add 81 42" (command bound to event)
.hc
On May 20, 2008, at 8:32 AM, David Golightly wrote:
PS I was unable to reproduce that issue where you saw an error
message from clicking on an empty cell. For me, clicking on empty
cells just brought up the "Add new item" dialog. Could this be a
difference of platform/TclTk version? I'm running 8.5 on OS X
10.4. I'd also like to get the specific error message if you can
get it.Thanks,
David
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:07 PM, David Golightly
davigoli@gmail.com wrote: Here's a revised copy with a few minor changes (the "startup flags"
field now expands to fill the window, you can resize the startup
command popup arbitrarily).I'm wondering about the protocol of introducing dependencies in
PD. It seems that BWidget gives us a widget that we can use for
the listbox (http://tcllib.sourceforge.net/BWman/ListBox.html),
however, it's perhaps not distributed with older distributions of
Tcl/Tk. BWidget is distributed with Tcllib, which is apparently a
default library packaged with most installs of Tcl, http:// wiki.tcl.tk/12099 says that it comes by default with the
ActiveState distro, with .deb and .rpm packages, and it was
installed by default on my Mac OS X 10.4 distribution. But it's
not guaranteed to be installed with ALL distributions of Tcl/Tk - I
just have no idea exactly how many users might lack it.Failing that, the popup should behave exactly as inline editing
does, even though it looks a little strange. You can still use the
keyboard to navigate: down, down, enter, type, enter, up, enter,
esc... Just think of it as inline listbox editing with extra
window chrome :)On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@eds.org wrote:Oops, found a little bug: double-clicking on an empty cell through
up an error dialog.Also, an idea: if you just draw that popup entry box just below the
listbox with the OK button, add a Cancel button, then use "pack
forget" when the user hits OK or Cancel. Just a thought. That
mini-popup window is the only thing about these panels that is
weird, I guess that why I still am thinking about how to ditch it..hc
On May 19, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Looks good to me. This is already a massive improvement over what
is there. I don't know if you are sick of working on it, but I
thought I'd throw a couple of minor ideas:
- it would be useful if the "startup flags" entry widget would
stretch with the resizing window. Then you could see more of
those flags.
- perhaps the windows should open above the Pd window instead of
the center of the screen? I think you can get that info using
[winfo rootx .] and [winfo rooty .].hc
On May 18, 2008, at 7:26 PM, David Golightly wrote:
As requested, I've put back the "Edit" and "Delete" buttons and
added BackSpace as a Delete event for Mac OS X. I couldn't get
Cmd-BackSpace to fire effectively, but perhaps someone knows
something I don't about getting that to work.On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@eds.org wrote:Very nice! The mouse/keyboard interactive is well done, I only
worry that the buttons are now too sparse. I think delete and
edit buttons would still be useful, maybe people don't use
keyboard shortcuts at all.Also, on Mac OS X, Delete is not commonly used, so it would be
good to also have BackSpace work for deleting. Or maybe Cmd- BackSpace since that is what is used for deleting in the Finder..hc
On May 18, 2008, at 9:46 AM, David Golightly wrote:
A note on the latest changes: I removed all the list
manipulation buttons and added the following bindings:
- The list items can be re-ordered by drag-and-drop.
- Clicking on a list item allows you to edit it.
- Clicking anywhere else in the listbox allows you to add a new
list item.
- You can also traverse the list using up and down arrow keys,
then press "Enter" to change the selected item.
- Press "Delete" to delete the currently selected list item.
I kept around the "New..." button, since it may not be
immediately obvious to newbies how to add new things to the list.I also removed the "Save all settings" button and folded its
action in to the "Apply" command (and, by extension, the OK
command). I played around with trying to get an in-place
editable listbox control for the Startup dialog, but to no avail
- it's apparently no trivial task in Tcl/Tk. Perhaps for a
future revision. However, the popup dialog functions effective
the same, as "Enter" will submit your edit and "Esc" will
cancel; once you get used to it it shouldn't be much different.I'm also now centering the dialog windows on the screen. I'd
like to do this also (especially) for the "Properties" dialogs
that are used to edit GUI controls. Tk like to try and
"cascade" new dialogs as they appear; this is too clever by
half, and really annoying once if you do a lot of editing. But
I've only tested this centering behavior on my own Macbook 15"
screen, so it would be great if others could verify it's still
usable on other screen sizes.One other thing: these dialogs can now be resized, but they
appear at their minimum size, so you can't shrink them any
further (you can only expand them).Please let me know what you think and as always let me know if
you run into any trouble!Thanks, David
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 6:06 PM, David Golightly
davigoli@gmail.com wrote: Ok, with the path/startup dialogs, this is about the feature set
I'd like to end up with for now. Please, everyone, review it
for usability & obvious bugs, and if it looks good I'll submit
it as a patch.Thanks,
David
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Steffen Juul
stffn@dibidut.dk wrote:On 14/05/2008, at 0.16, marius schebella wrote:
David Golightly wrote: Keep in mind I'm still learning Tcl/Tk, so some of these ideas, while excellent,
are a little beyond my technical grasp at this point and may be
improvements that we make incrementally over time. Also, I have a limited
amount of my time to budget for this kind of workdavid, if you spend 1 hour on coding and one hour on documenting of how
to get to that step, (instead of 2 hours coding), then the chance that
more people will be able to jump in is bigger. tcl/tk is new to most
people. being able to concentrate on design and ui aspects would make life easier. the hard part is to get started.Especially since the names in Tk are to my experience somewhat
different to what one put in the search bar, ie. of my/your(?)/ normal vocabulary.Example: tabs ~= notebook. See http://wiki.tcl.tk/2298
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