--- On Thu, 11/25/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch) To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" ico@vt.edu, pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 5:39 AM
On Nov 24, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Wed, 11/24/10, Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu wrote:
From: Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu Subject: RE: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork
iteration of pd-
extended (based on 0.42.x branch) To: "'Jonathan Wilkes'" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 6:29 AM
Notice that both
[cyclone/Scope~] and [flatspace/entry] have a
bug: a sudden increase in height/width by
about 5-10
pixels when you
initially drag to resize. This makes it
difficult if not
impossible to make minor size changes
(especially
since there is no
Properties dialogue).
Good to know. I will look into this when I get
there.
Currently working on accelerating iemgui objects
as well as
exposing them to sarlo's highlighting magic.
Also notice that [flatspace/entry] has a nice cursor
associated with
resizing.
Ah yes, I forgot about that cursor in entry. I actually started working on improving the [entry] widget, and that turned into the tkwidgets library. I really should get the tkwidgets stuff into some kind of usable release.
Let me know if you do this. I've got a pd patch that is a fully functioning object-search GUI which is currently using toxy. I posted some screenshots a few weeks ago. I'll switch it over to use tkwidgets if you can get the library to do the following:
- use tab key to give focus to the next widget in the patch
- do nonlocal send/receive names like iemguis
- have a message to set widget focus (so it can have focus on
loadbang like Google's text entry, for example) 4) output entry string as a list so that, for example, typing 'float' will output 'list float'. (Actually it could also output it as a symbol-- just as long as it doesn't output an anything.)
I think I also had a short list of general bugs posted a few weeks back.
-Jonathan
.hc
Wouldn't it be easier just to toggle the text
for that
menu option
between "Edit mode" and "Run mode"? (That's
what
they're called in
the manual.)
Sure. There are other options, too, like the one
0.43 and
now l2ork version of 0.42 uses by changing
option's
background which works visually relatively well
(albeit at
the expense of consistency). This is however not
the issue.
The issue is finding out that after an hour of
debugging the
problem is not in you or your code but the toolkit
you are
using and in 2010 for a toolkit that has been
around for
more than a decade that is plainly sad.
Another solution: you can also place a checkbutton
labeled "Edit mode"
directly on the menubar.
Also, since we're talking about the menu changes:
Since there is a
"Find" menu, I think the "Edit" menu can be shortened by
removing "Find",
"Find again", and "Find last error".
How would you go about doing that?
A: Ugly path: Isolate pd<->gui hooks and
port the
entire thing to Qt.
B: Better (albeit more time-consuming) path:
clean-up code
first so that all objects can utilize the same gobj_<whatever> calls and then do the A:
(which at
that point won't be nearly as ugly or difficult
to
maintain).
FWIW, my first ever GUI app was RTMix I did back
in 2001
and it was (and remains) the ugliest hack ever
(basically I
tried to learn how to program doing that app).
Yet, the fact
remains even in 2001 qt was way better than what
Tk is
today. Another advantage is avoiding socket
bottlenecks as
the entire thing could be done simply in C.
License-wise it
should be fine and cross-platform-wise miles ahead
of
Tcl/Tk. Heck, you could even throw in Qt for
mobile devices
for good measure since that is apparently hot item
these
days.
That said, I need some more time working with Pd
code
before I can undertake this. Perhaps more
importantly, I
just need a generous, uninterrupted chunk of time
to do
this.
Best wishes,
Ico
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