On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 04:44:27PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Chris McCormick wrote:
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 06:02:10PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Ignoring each other also comes from the impression of talking past each other. Compared to hostility, it's more mature, polite, civilised and insidious.
Even better than ignoring,
It sounds like I mean that ignoring is better than arguing, but that's not what i mean. (what does "insidious" mean to you?)
Pretty much this: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ainsidious
I thought maybe you were making a joke by tacking it on the end of that sentence.
I agree with the idea that silently ignoring is usually better than hostility, but I don't think that either of those options are better than measured argument.
it is possible to use non-provocatory language and to purposely disarm your own writing by eliminating emotionally charged content, and still communicate your point clearly.
OTOH the content is then still about controversial ideas and it's still about promoting some people's ideas at the expense of some other people's other ideas. This happens regardless of the amount of spin-doctoring performed to dull it.
Yes, I see your point. Let me put it this way; I beleive that it's very often (but not always) possible to promote a contraversial idea that is at the expense of other people's ideas in a way that does not offend, but that that option sometimes isn't even attempted on this list, and ironically this decreases the likelyhood of the contraversial idea being widely accepted.
I am saying that I think we could try harder on this list to not offend people, and that doing so would have the distinct advantage of lubricating the gears of communication and making the software and the lives of all users, better.
Then again, politically correct, non-offensive language could turn this list into the most boring list since the discussion on speciation of the cephalote genus Cryptocerus on the Myrmecology-international list. ;)
There is another advantage to trying to be 'nicer' though, which is that people who are more timid, and who also have great ideas, will be less afraid to speak up about them. Unfortunately the people who speak the loudest and most aggressively aren't always the ones with the best ideas. I think I can sum this concept up with one word: politician.
Sometimes, valid questions look essentially like trolling; but some mindframe's trollish questions is some other mindframe's theoretical underpinnings.
Yep, I definately agree with that. I guess the best way to combat that is to give people the benefit of the doubt and try and use neutral, scientific language as far as possible when discussing topics that might incite verbal violence.
Rgds,
Chris.