When people use Pd-extended 0.42.5, they expect that certain libraries will be there, and they will be a certain version. For example Pd-extended 0.42.5 includes Gem 0.92.3. So you can say "my patch works with Pd-extended 0.42.5" and it'll work with any installation of Pd-extended 0.42.5
If Pd-extended 0.42.5 also looks at /usr/lib/pd, then someone could install Gem 0.93 there and Pd-extended would use it. Let's say Gem 0.93 introduces an obscure bug which breaks your patch. Then someone who has installed Pd-extended 0.42.5 can no longer be sure that the patch will always work with Pd-extended 0.42.5.
So my plan going forward with Pd-extended is to get all the libs in Debian, and then actually based Pd-extended on all platforms on which pd libraries are in Debian. Windows, Mac OS X, etc. will be built the same: as one big package. This is the best way I can see then to guarantee compatability across platforms.
.hc
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 21:22 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:13 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Its never possible to fix all known bugs in a given release.
Yeah, I understand. I was assuming that it is only about adding another entry to /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.pdextended . If it is really that simple I don't see a reason not to do it just now. If not, I understand your hesitation.
The
combination of the big single package that Pd-extended currently is
with the single packages for each library in /usr/lib/pd makes for a
very complicated situation.Probably I am overseeing something, but how can it harm to load something from /usr/lib/pd after all other default pathes have been checked? I believe, that is what now users have to do anyway when they want to use something like gridflow or [readanysf~] in pdextended: adding /usr/lib/pd/extra to the pathes.
So its much less work to just wait for
went Pd-extended is also packaged as one-lib-per-package, then this
will be solved with very little work.Yo, I didn't mean to open another can of worms, of course. But I am not sure, if I can see a can at all here.
Roman
On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:11 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 19:45 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd-extended 0.42.5 is done, so it'll stay as is.
Ok. Since you called, I thought I'd report what I think needs to be fixed.
Pd-extended 0.43 will work with /usr/lib/pd. For 0.43, only libs that require Pd- extended will be installed into /usr/lib/pdextended.
Sounds good, though I still don't understand why not fixing it right now.
Roman
On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 16:38 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
That means that it installs all its libs into /usr/lib/ pdextended
Yeah, makes sense also to me.
and ignores /usr/lib/pd.
Why?
You seem to ignore the fact, that there are pd-libs around in the wild, that are _not_ part of Pd-extended and thus would be very useful
to be used together with Pd-extended, but unfortunately do not work out-of-the-box, because pdextended doesn't look in /usr/lib/pd.I'd propose to add /usr/lib/pd as the last path in the search order, so that it wouldn't interfere with everything installed in /usr/lib/pd-extended. I don't see how this would hurt with the current behaviour. When having pd-motex installed and using some objects from motex, still /usr/lib/pd-extended would be used (instead of /usr/lib/pd, where pd-motex installs to). Nevertheless, [wiimote] from pd-wiimote which installs to /usr/lib/pd would be found.
Please enlighten me, if I am overseeing something and my proposal would actually break something.
Roman
The next step for Debian packaging for Pd-extended is having each
lib in its own package, and then making a 'pdextended' package which provides 'pd' and is just the core. That will then look in /usr/ lib/pd.
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