--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de wrote:
From: Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare? To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "Marco Donnarumma" devel@thesaddj.com, pd-list@iem.at, "Matteo Sisti Sette" matteosistisette@gmail.com, mis@artengine.ca Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 8:11 PM On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 11:02 -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de
wrote:
From: Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue
Bidule... How do these compare?
To: "Marco Donnarumma" devel@thesaddj.com Cc: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com,
pd-list@iem.at, "Matteo Sisti Sette" matteosistisette@gmail.com, mis@artengine.ca
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:07 PM On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 09:58 +0100, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
Talking about Pd It's fundamental to learn
how things
works, imho.
Pd is the fundament for learning how things work.
That was
my experience (and still is).
Roman
What are you getting at? The two aren't mutually
exclusive.
I am actually thinking that the two are complementary.
Of course, it helps a lot to have a certain level of knowledge in dsp/math/whatsover before touching Pd. I just wanted to point out, that Pd very well supports the approach of acquiring theory through practice. Concepts such as, that every sound is composed of its sinusoidal partials (just one example of so many possible), sound very abstract and are hard to explain in words. But at the same time, they are often quite easy to illustrate with Pd (see 07.additive.pd from 3.audio.examples).
Of course, it is fundamental to learn how things works, but how do you learn those things? My answer is: By using Pd. Similar to how a two year old child learns the basic laws of physics by letting things fall down, throw them away, put them on other things etc, Pd lets you explore the nature of sound. I often feel the need of telling potential Pd users, that it's not necessary to have read many books and be a master in math before doing Pd, but if they do read books, it helps a lot to try things out in Pd right away.
I see. I took Marco's statement to mean that talking about Pd is fundamental to learning how things work in Pd. It sounds like you're saying that you don't have to have a comprehensive knowledge of "how dsp works" before diving into Pd because using Pd is a way of aquiring that knowledge. I agree with both.
-Jonathan