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On Saturday, 6 December 2014, 10:00, Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Ivica, Jonathan,
Thanks for the response.
@Ivica:
Why not simply use cyclone help patches provided in pd-l2ork that already conform to the pddp standard?
The pd-l2ork help patches with standard format indeed look much better than the 'free-style' pd-extended patches. That is why I use these as a base. But I do not copy them directly for several reasons:
a little less clean than possible,
object),
they work and how. This can lead to changes to the patch.
Of course a mass copy would be a fast way to improve cyclone help, but with the long term goal in mind, I think this slow method could result in better help files. Later I will see how they look in pd-vanilla and pd-l2ork and make adjustments.
@Jonathan:
But then Pd Vanilla aficionados might complain that to use cyclone they would be forced to also install the pddp library for [pddplink] and [helplink], because those objects do not ship with Pd Vanilla. Otherwise they would end up with a lot of broken objects in those help patches.
There seems to a 'rule' to make help-patches only dependent on vanilla objects, and this makes sense. But maybe we can use a rich help-patch to generate a vanilla-compliant one (see below).
All the little Pd libraries in Debian don't help this problem, because not every GNU/Linux distribution uses apt. (Nor does OSX or Windows, for that matter.)
The other main distribution tool is rpm. It might be interesting to know how much of the "Linux-market" uses either deb or rpm. For Windows and OSX, there is no ready made solution yet. But other software packages have a cross-platform package distribution system; the examples I know are perl (ActiveState) and cygwin. But is probably not trival to build or adapt something for Pd.
Also, I believe Hans emailed awhile back asking if I'd do the work of removing the PDDP template boilerplate from the tutorial revisions I did. He wanted me to leave only the [pd META] subpatch, because that's evidently the only part Miller wanted to add to Vanilla.
Making help-patches as much as possible is also one of the modifications I make to the pd-l2ork help-patches. So far I ignored the pddp code. But removing the line with "pddp/pddplink" seems to work and this can be scripted. But for pd environments that always have the complete set, it is a great feature to have links.
Greetings,
Fred Jan
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