But do I need even framebuffer ping-ponging when I only _add_ to the framebuffer?
you don't need it - but only if the framebuffer doesn't clear automatically on each render cycle. unfortunately, [gemframebuffer] seems to do exactly that (while in openFrameworks you always have to clear it manually). I think this is why Cyrille mentioned framebuffer ping ponging also in this context (outside shaders) because you can also use it to simulate an accumulating framebuffer.
Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. April 2017 um 09:23 Uhr Von: "Roman Haefeli" reduzent@gmail.com An: pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] [Gem] Modifying single pixel of pix image
Thank you, Christof and Cyrille, for your insights. I think I understood the concept. But do I need even framebuffer ping-ponging when I only _add_ to the framebuffer? Let's say I add more and more pixel-sized white squares to the buffer, I can use this as my mask, no?
Roman
On Sam, 2017-04-08 at 11:05 +0200, cyrille henry wrote:
hello, I use ping "pong buffer" frequentlly : using 2 framebuffer is a good way to go.
There is an exemple in 10.glsl/07.framebuffer_and_shader : I use a "ping pong" to create the wave physical model.
For your application, you don't even need a shader to alter the image : you can draw the image, then draw a pixel size square where you want to modify it.
c
Le 08/04/2017 à 10:51, Christof Ressi a écrit :
You could also experiment with fragment shader + "ping pong" framebuffers:
shaders usually don't have 'memory' of the last frame(s), so the idea is that you have two framebuffers and *alternately* take one's texture as input and draw to the other framebuffer. this way you can work on the previous frame and manipulate the alpha channel, e.g. subtract values from your alpha pixels based on some random function etc. You can define some uniforms to control the parameters of your decay formula from outside.
Framebuffer ping ponging is easy in openFrameworks, but I have never done it in GEM (honestly I haven't used GEM for a long time now). I guess you can use two [gemframebuffer] objects and switch your connections every other frame...
Gesendet: Samstag, 08. April 2017 um 10:32 Uhr Von: "Christof Ressi" christof.ressi@gmx.at An: "Roman Haefeli" reduzent@gmail.com Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] [Gem] Modifying single pixel of pix image
That's funny, I just did exactly this recently, but in openFrameworks. If you want to do it entirely in GL (which will be fastest), this is how I did it:
start with a white framebuffer and gradually draw black stuff in there. Don't clear the framebuffer so it accumulates. You can even draw with alpha blending to make the decomposition smooth. Then simply use the texture of the framebuffer as the alpha mask for your image texture.
I couldn't see how to do GL alpha masking in GEM but you can easily write a little shader which takes the two textures as uniforms, then you would just need to take one channel of the mask texture and copy it to the alpha channel of your image texture.
You can also try on the CPU level: create your mask in a table, make it to a greyscale image and use pix_takealpha to copy your alpha mask to your image pixels. Of course, this will be much slower.
You can also mix the two approaches: create the mask on the CPU and do actually masking in GL.
Hope that helps!
Gesendet: Samstag, 08. April 2017 um 10:02 Uhr Von: "Roman Haefeli" reduzent@gmail.com An: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] [Gem] Modifying single pixel of pix image
On Sam, 2017-04-08 at 08:29 +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
If it can be on the GPU, use a fragment shader! Do you work with a formula or do you set the alpha values by hand?
By Hand (maybe later by a formula). Is it possible?
The idea is to have two overlaying images. The visible one slowly decomposes over time so that the image behind appears. I thought about setting alpha to for more and more pixels as a way to decompose the front image. Maybe there is another/better way?
Roman
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