I also have problems with an RME fireface (400 model in my case) I cannot get PD to make use of the asio fireface driver to give me full duplex...I can only get input or output but not both. Nick.
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Today's Topics:
- Re: Size of a table (marius schebella)
- Re: Size of a table (Enrique Erne)
- Re: Multiple Audio Devices (marius schebella)
- Re: Pd-extended PPC autobuild & Jack OSX (Si Mills)
- Re: Multiple Audio Devices (Roman Haefeli)
- Re: Size of a table (Roman Haefeli)
- Re: Size of a table (Roman Haefeli)
- Simplification problem (Andy Farnell)
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:04:37 -0400 From: marius schebella marius.schebella@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Size of a table To: Hans Roels hans.roels@versateladsl.be Cc: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 484FCD65.9090801@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hans Roels wrote:
Apart from [soundfiler] I use this trick to get the size of any array (audio or data) in pd vanilla: (array1 = the name of an example array)
bang | [expr size("array1")] | print
or replace the expr with [expr size("$s2")] and connect a message [symbol array1( to the second inlet of this expr object
hans r
hi, that's cool. did not know that expr can do that! are there more features of expr that are hidden or unknown?? marius.
At 09:38 11/06/2008, you wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:03:28AM +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
raul diaz wrote:
I have a dumb question. What's the best way to get the size of a table? Sometimes I load a lot of samples on tables with soundfiler and I would like to take the size of each sample as a variable in order to use it with phasor + tabread4~. Is there any object which gets the size of a table?
well i have a dumb answer: why not use the "length" output of
[soundfiler]?
i think that in this case the philosophy of Pd his, that there are 2 ways to change the length of a table: do it interactively (e.g. create a [table bla 1024] or do it programmatically (e.g. via [; bla resize 216() in the first case the author of the software is responsible for using (e.g. "hardcoding") the right table-size throughout there patch, in the latter case you could just listen to these programmatical changes). tables suddenly changing there size are beyond Pd :-)
There is one situation I have encountered where it would be useful to have a built in [arraysize]. In some of the s-abstractions such as [s-samplepiece~] you have to pass in the table name that you'd like the abstraction to use. This means that at some point the user loads some audio data into the named table (for example using [s-loader~]) and they then know the sample table size. When they create the [s-samplepiece~] playback abstraction they must manually enter the array size as one of the arguments to the abstraction, along with the table name. Inefficient.
Best,
Chris.
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:32:42 -0400 From: Enrique Erne enrique@netpd.org Subject: Re: [PD] Size of a table To: marius schebella marius.schebella@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 484FD3FA.8030706@netpd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
marius schebella wrote:
Hans Roels wrote:
Apart from [soundfiler] I use this trick to get the size of any array (audio or data) in pd vanilla: (array1 = the name of an example array)
bang | [expr size("array1")] | print
or replace the expr with [expr size("$s2")] and connect a message [symbol array1( to the second inlet of this expr object
hans r
hi, that's cool. did not know that expr can do that! are there more features of expr that are hidden or unknown?? marius.
very nice indeed. i remember sven posted once a way to directly access the value of [value] with expr but i can't remember. eni
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:38:47 -0400 From: marius schebella marius.schebella@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Multiple Audio Devices To: Mika Ristim?ki mika.ristimaki@tkk.fi Cc: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 484FD567.6000002@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
hi mika,
have you tried -audioindev 4,7 -inchannels 12? I think you should be able to use different soundcards, but maybe there is no possibility to use 4 from the one and 8 from the other, but rather all channels from both soundcards?? but I don't know about that. maybe -audioindev 4,5,7,8,9,10? on the other hand, if the octamic pre-amp is connected to adat1 can you do -audioindev 1, and -inchannels 36, does that give you all inchannels? marius.
Mika Ristim?ki wrote:
Hi again,
I've been searching the list archives even more and I've found several
posts that say that this can be done and that the instructions can be
found from the archives. However I haven't been able to find any
instructions. =) So any ideas how to do it in Windows XP? Sorry for
nagging, but I really like using Pd, but if there is not support for
my hardware I might have to change the software.-Mika
Hi all,
I have a problem how to use multiple audio devices in Pd. I tired to search the archives but didn't find anything useful. Anyway...
I have RME Fireface 800 audio interface and RME Octamic microphone pre-amplifier. Octamic is connected to Fireface with ADAT. I'm using Windows XP. I have connected 8 mics to Octamic and 4 mics to Fireface (it also has 4 mic level inputs). The problem is that I don't know how to get all 12 channels to work in Pd.
when I start Pd with -listdev, I get
audio input devices: 0. Live! Cam Optia AF (Mic)
- Fireface Analog (1+2) MME
- Fireface Analog (3+4) MME
- Fireface Analog (5+6) MME
- Fireface Analog (7+8) MME
- Fireface Analog (9+10) MME
- Fireface SPDIF MME
- Fireface ADAT1 (1+2) MME
- Fireface ADAT1 (3+4) MME
- Fireface ADAT1 (5+6) MME
- Fireface ADAT1 (7+8) MME
- Fireface ADAT2 (1+2) MME
- Fireface ADAT2 (3+4) MME
- Fireface ADAT2 (5+6) MME
- Fireface ADAT2 (7+8) MME
- Fireface Analog (1+2)
- Fireface Analog (3+4)
- Fireface Analog (5+6)
- Fireface Analog (7+8)
- Fireface Analog (9+10)
I can have the 8 Octamic channels if start Pd with -audioindev 7 -inchannels 8. Or the 4 Fireface channel by -audioindev 4 -inchannels 4. But when I try to define both like this, -audioindev 4,7 -inchannels 4,8 pd gives an error "separate audio device choice not supported; using sequential devices."
-audioindev 4 -inchannels 12, does not work either.
So is it impossible to get the two different devices working simultaneously or is there some kind of hack?
Thanks for any help
-Mika
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:42:07 +0100 From: Si Mills smills@rootsix.net Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended PPC autobuild & Jack OSX To: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org Cc: PDlist list pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: DB983D8F-18B4-4060-91A4-7398794BB181@rootsix.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Hi Hans et al.
I tried the RC1 test build of the latest Pd-extended. Will the Jack
problem be resolved in this version of do you know?
many thanks for all the hard work everyone!
On 25 May 2008, at 21:24, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Yeah, there are some jack issues under investigation, so please test
things once there is something new to test. :).hc
On May 22, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Si Mills wrote:
I noticed the other day that when selecting to run in Jack mode (with Jack booted) the system becomes unusably sluggish.
This happens in the PPC version of 0.40.3 -extended that I downloaded the other day from Autobuild and Jack osx 0.77. I haven't tried one
of the latest builds.I'm adding this to the bug tracker
thanks
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Message: 5 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:36:07 +0200 From: Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] Multiple Audio Devices To: Mika Ristim?ki mika.ristimaki@tkk.fi Cc: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1213184167.5880.22.camel@yoyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
hi mika
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 11:53 +0300, Mika Ristim?ki wrote:
Hi again,
I've been searching the list archives even more and I've found several
posts that say that this can be done and that the instructions can be
found from the archives. However I haven't been able to find any
instructions. =) So any ideas how to do it in Windows XP? Sorry for
nagging, but I really like using Pd, but if there is not support for
my hardware I might have to change the software.
a friend of mine successfully used exactly the same setup on mac osx. she also used 12 mic inputs simultaneously in pd, which worked well over jackosx.
-Mika
Hi all,
I have a problem how to use multiple audio devices in Pd. I tired to search the archives but didn't find anything useful. Anyway...
I have RME Fireface 800 audio interface and RME Octamic microphone pre-amplifier. Octamic is connected to Fireface with ADAT. I'm using Windows XP. I have connected 8 mics to Octamic and 4 mics to Fireface (it also has 4 mic level inputs). The problem is that I don't know how to get all 12 channels to work in Pd.
when I start Pd with -listdev, I get
audio input devices: 0. Live! Cam Optia AF (Mic)
- Fireface Analog (1+2) MME
- Fireface Analog (3+4) MME
- Fireface Analog (5+6) MME
- Fireface Analog (7+8) MME
- Fireface Analog (9+10) MME
- Fireface SPDIF MME
- Fireface ADAT1 (1+2) MME
- Fireface ADAT1 (3+4) MME
- Fireface ADAT1 (5+6) MME
- Fireface ADAT1 (7+8) MME
- Fireface ADAT2 (1+2) MME
- Fireface ADAT2 (3+4) MME
- Fireface ADAT2 (5+6) MME
- Fireface ADAT2 (7+8) MME
- Fireface Analog (1+2)
- Fireface Analog (3+4)
- Fireface Analog (5+6)
- Fireface Analog (7+8)
- Fireface Analog (9+10)
I can have the 8 Octamic channels if start Pd with -audioindev 7 -inchannels 8. Or the 4 Fireface channel by -audioindev 4 -inchannels 4. But when I try to define both like this, -audioindev 4,7 -inchannels 4,8 pd gives an error "separate audio device choice not supported; using sequential devices."
-audioindev 4 -inchannels 12, does not work either.
can you elaborate that a bit? i am not too used to windows anymore, but iirc, using all mme devices sequentially, that are actually driven from the same card and from the same clock, is supposed to work well. you might already have tried that: what about accessing just _ALL_ inputs of the card? i don't know, where your octamic is connected to, adat1 or adat2. if it is on adat2, -audioindev 4 -inchannels 12 wouldn't work, since this would access actually the analog inputs and some adat1 inputs. try:
-audioindev 1 -inchannels 28
then the [adc~] numbers in pd are not continous, but this wouldn't cause any harm, would it?
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Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:23:28 +0200 From: Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] Size of a table To: Hans Roels hans.roels@versateladsl.be Cc: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1213183408.5880.10.camel@yoyo Content-Type: text/plain
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 12:09 +0100, Hans Roels wrote:
Apart from [soundfiler] I use this trick to get the size of any array (audio or data) in pd vanilla: (array1 = the name of an example array)
bang | [expr size("array1")] | print
hey, nice trick. thanks for sharing.
roman
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Message: 7 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:40:55 +0200 From: Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] Size of a table To: raul diaz raul.lete@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1213184455.5880.28.camel@yoyo Content-Type: text/plain
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 13:18 +0200, raul diaz wrote:
Hi list!
Thanks for your answers!
I think arraysize is the best way to obtain table size in my case. I know as IOhannes said that I can use the length output from soundfiler, but I load a lot of samples at the same time in the same soundfiler, so it's difficult to get each size separately.
this is certainly not true. pd's execution order is very strict, so it shouldn't cause any trouble at all to load several samples in 0 logical time through the same [soundfiler] while keeping track of all sample lengths. from pd's perspective, everything is processed sequentially, even if for the user it looks like to happen at the same time. so conceptually, there isn't actually no 'at the same time', so there is also no need to wait until all samples are loaded and then ask each array about its size.
roman
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Message: 8 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:56:49 +0100 From: Andy Farnell padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk Subject: [PD] Simplification problem To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 20080611145649.12178f2d.padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I am trying to reduce a log waveform oscillator (as found with a charging/discharging capacitor) to it's simplest form.
Note: It uses the soon to be deprecated form of [pow~] (with reversed inlets)
Attached is the first attempt, and a slight improvement that saves a couple of subtractions.
Any thoughts on reducing this further?
Also any ideas on constructing a proof that this has the same spectrum as a triangle wave?
best to all,
Andy