Hi everybody,
Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make me not want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out. It's just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a real "jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women can't be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's 2007!!! Not the stone age.
Anyway, darsh, I know where you're coming from.
thanks everybody, Alicia
.·:*šš*:·.darsha.·:*šš*:·. wrote:
Hi people
If this thread has to continue please feel free to substitute the word 'girls' for 'women' or 'sisters' even. I am not sure what the count is but I can imagine that there are very few actual girls on this list (that would be pretty cool though...bunch of lurking little girls, hi, hi).
I am in my mid twenties and I don't really like being called 'girl'.
A girl is a female child... The other women on this list may not agree with this or they may not even care about it one single bit or they may even be annoyed that I am bringing it up (if this is the case then sorry ladies)...My little sister who is 15 (and fond of gem) is someone who I consider a girl or maybe even a young lady....If there were more like her on this list then maybe girl would be the right term...To be honest though, I wouldn't recommend that she join this list at this point in her life...This thread makes my skin crawl.
xo
Darsh
On 10/16/07, *Roman Haefeli* <reduzierer@yahoo.de mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de> wrote:
hey ho let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered through very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at all to the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a point. since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously couldn't be established. On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, pueblo@mail.ljudmila.org <mailto:pueblo@mail.ljudmila.org> wrote: > > yves, > > I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe (maybe > > you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :)) > > hi David and all, > I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some examples > of greasy jokes: yo, i am glad, that you bring some realworld cases up. i think, this could be a basis for a real discussion. > From: João Miguel Pais <jmmmpais@googlemail.com <mailto:jmmmpais@googlemail.com>> > Date: Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm > > - do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a lightbulb? 2: > One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k. > [I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a > humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last weeks] i don't know, how obvious this was, but i am pretty sure, that in the first place it wasn't jmmmp's intention to make bad jokes, that insult feminists. i would rather say, that he, as probably some others, felt, that this discussion was going to nowhere and probably wanted to provocate a discussion by bringing up the most stupid macho joke (or whatever this should be called) he could think of. obviously he succeeded. i wouldn't count that as an example of chauvinism in the list, since it seems, that it was triggered by the topic 'sexism' in order to question the ongoing discussion. accusing him of chauvinism would be too simple in that case, though i do not approve sending such sentences to a public mailing list, regardless of the intention. > I really didn't want to post another OT but to be blind about the facts is > just a bit too much for me to keep silent. i think, the whole community would agree, that whatever is troubling someone in a serious manner, it should be brought up here. roman ___________________________________________________________ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at <mailto:PD-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list-- ~computer incantations for world peace~ JL Ponty
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