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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: Max abonnements@revolwear.com; pd list pd-list@iem.at; Ben Baker-Smith bbakersmith@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:50 PM Subject: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????
On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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From: Max abonnements@revolwear.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: Richie Cyngler glitchpop@gmail.com; pd list
pd-list@iem.at; Ben Baker-Smith bbakersmith@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
And that's not the end of the vicious cycle. Students who saved their money to buy a Max license are often unwilling
to
accept that their work could have been done as easy in Pd, and
sometimes even
better and/or easier.
If you think of free software as an ethical issue like I do and are talking about free programs
that have a
proprietary alternative, there is still an important division between those
programs that are
free and superior to their proprietary counterparts on practical grounds,
and those that
don't have the same feature set as their proprietary counterparts (but
are still quite good).
In terms of ease of patching, Pd is clearly in the latter camp-- Max has
infinite undo, a
"Tidy Up" that actually _does_ something useful, and a set of
externals that allows to make
multiple connections at once and lots of other shortcuts (maybe these are
part of the core now,
I'm not sure). Plus tooltips, anchors to resize guis/boxes/messages,
and probably lots of
other things that make patching easier.
I use Pd and free software (almost) exclusively, but we should be clear
about which features
are available and which are not.
Excellent point.
Speaking of, is your tooltips patch fully functional in Pd-extended 0.43? I believe it is included, right? It would be great to ship with that working.
There was the problem that if you did [loadbang]-[tip 1 blah blah blah(-[s pd-this-canvas.pd] the label doesn't get the right width. I tried using the <<Loaded>> virtual event and it didn't work, and then I think you said that the patch should be finished drawing before <<Loaded>> happens.
I could just use after idle or update idletasks but those are heavily critiqued on the tcl wiki...
-Jonathan
.hc
"[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." -John Gilmore