The current [output~] is not easy to use, lots of people have trouble
with it. Scrolling in a number box is not a standard GUI interaction,
and not particularly intuitive.
.hc
On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Why not use Miller's output~ as the default in pd-ext?
I like the fact that the tutorials have both an abstraction and a
subpatch for output, and it might be nice to have another gop that
uses a slider as in your proposed abstraction.I think it would additionally be nice to have something like the
attached somewhere in the tutorials, which is just a clone of your
ezoutput~ using data structures. It would helpful when someone gets
to the ds tutorial to be able to have an abstraction they've already
been using to show as an example. The ds stuff is separated from
the rest of the patch for that reason, though maybe something
simpler would make a better example (at least as much as possible
without using abstractions).-Jonathan
--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org Subject: Re: [PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended To: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" zmoelnig@iem.at Cc: "Pd List" pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:49 PM On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:09 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
So if we are introducing the concept of objects
and GUI in Pd, then I think it is safe to use GOP objects. After all, we don't expect newbies to know anything about C or Tcl, but that's under it it all. I don't think we should add an output~ to help patches that don't already have them. I just think we should have a more intuitive and usable output~. The current one already uses GOP, so that's not a change.
i fully agree. and would like to stress, that i am pretty sure that
most users will not have a clue about gop when they first encounter the [output~] module (be it a new one or the original one).
at least i cannot seem to find any documentation about
gop prior to 3/A.05; nevertheless i think it is a good idea to use a gop-abstraction here.
fgmasdr IOhannes
Anyone else want to weigh in on this? I'd like to lobby Miller to get this included in 'extra' at least, then also used in the help and docmentation.
.hc
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