hallo frank,
On 01 Nov 2008, at 12:04, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
very often i find myself sitting infront of a pretty trivial patching problem, but i just can't find the right objects names in pd.
One major difference between Max and Pd is the number of available objects. Ignoring objects that aren't available in Pd at all (like the Jitter stuff) generally I'd say we have four kinds of differences:
- some objects just have different names (osc~ vc. cycle~)
- some serve the same purpose, but behave differently and may have different names (spigot vs. gate)
- some can be build from Pd's builtin objects (counter)
- some objects are only available as externals (Cyclone is great)
Items 1) and 2) just require users to learn a different vocabulary. There's no way around that, but it shouldn't be too hard. With Pd and Max this is a bit like learning different variants of natural languages e.g. the Austrian and the German German - "Sessel" vs. "Stuhl". ;)
It would be cool to document these differences in a Wiki page or so.
yes, definitely.
Which solution to choose from 3) and 4) depends on what kind of philosophy you are a fan of, or what kind of "patching school" you want to be a part of. Externals sometimes have to be used, but quite often you can also approach a task using just the builtin objects.
sure.
This requires a slightly deeper knowledge of Pd, but in the long run will make your patches be more portable and easier to install. Of course for some purposes you have to use externals for various reasons like performance.
i'm still finding out about pd, but in max it's quite easy to include
and use a set of externals - not much different than using abstractions.
a few years ago i was very much into "doing everything in max".
but when i started learning a little java and c, i noticed that a lot
of things are way easier to code in an external.
actually i think we probably agree on this one.
But objects like [uzi] or [counter] can be patched perfectly well using only what Pd vanilla offers -
yes, of course. [uzi] was just a simple example. but i didn't know about [until] - so, thanks for your uzi abstraction.
best wishes, volker.