2017-07-30 7:30 GMT-03:00 Derek Holzer via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at:
new users will not read 14 pages to install libs they have never used before.
My documentation won't even tell you how to deal with any issue pointed here (as going to a hidden system folder and create a standard path, etc). So it doesn't solve it all and it should work intuitively out of the box anyway.
I miss Extended for this ease-of-use terribly, and I wonder how after two
decades of Pd these issues still haven't been addressed completely in a systematic way which allows people to simply install and go (as Extended did once upon a time).
I think Extended overshadowed vanilla's issues of managing externals. After it died we did something about it, which is deken (introduced in 0.47). It's all too recent then, but we haven't made much progress since the release of 0.47-1 and that's unfortunate.
the real crash test should still be whether a classroom full of undergrad art students on mixed platforms, and who don't just-so-happen-to-have a background in CompSci as well, can get things up and running without stress.
The upcoming release improves it a little, but we're not quite there yet in my opinion. I can arguably say Pd would pass this test if at least this one idea was considered: https://github.com/pure-data/deken/issues/156 - I didn't see a real opposition to it and I also don't see this coming in the way of future enhancements. So maybe we do at least that for 0.48?
cheers