hi, I am planning to ship a striped down standalone pd versions that will provide a one click option to start a patch+interface. This will allow to run patches like applications without depending on any user preferences. Everything comes out of the box. It turns out that this is much easier on windows than on osx. (sorry, no tests on linux yet). One thing I don't know right now is where I find the settings which plist pd will use. I know that pd vanilla and pd-extended are using different plist files, is that defined in pd.tk? I need to provide a preferences file that has the -nogui option plus a relative path to the patch that should be started... hans, do you have some (online) docs, how the pd.apps are created? I know that the startup process of pd is slightly different than on osx (wish starting pd), I wonder if I have to change the app if I want to run a -nogui version? thanks again for any help. marius.