On Mar 7, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 01:28 +0000, Damian Stewart wrote:
hey,
i was talking to a Portuguese musician tonight (Miguel Cardoso is
his name) and he was saying that he thought that Pd sounded much better than
Max - a fuller sound with the oscillators, he said.i hadn't really thought about this before, but i do know that to
my ears my Pd patches sound a lot richer than most Max/MSP stuff that I've
heard - not sure whether that's my source material or patches or whether it's
at a deeper architectural level than that.anyone have any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, to confirm this?
reasons why this might be the case?hey funny... i also heard people saying something similar the other
way around.since the same digital algorithm produces the same results on two different machines or in two different softwares, i think there are
only very esoteric reasons to believe, that one sounds 'fuller' (what
does it mean technically?) or 'richer' (more harmonics?) than the other.
for me this goes to a similar direction as the discussion, if oxygen free, golden plated 8mm-diammeter speaker cables sound better than others (i would rather suspect a difference there than between max and pd).hm.. thinking more about that, i wonder whether this guy thinks,
that pd people do just different, probably subjectively better sounding stuff. or does he really think, that [phasor~] in pd sounds nicer than the [phasor~] in max? this would be actually quite easy to test, if
there is any difference at all. create a wav with same frequency and phase of a [phasor~], once in pd, once in max, and then subtract the one from the other and if you do not get a completely silent file, then............... *i shut up* ;-)
I think it is unlikely that there is a noticeable difference in
double-blind testing. I am sure that people hear differences between
them, but I am guessing that those differences are inside the brain,
rather than outside :).
Also, consider that MSP started from Pd code.
.hc
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