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Le 08/01/2016 14:34, cyrille henry a écrit :
array: couldn't find named array 'lettres'
Yep, I just copy/paste the part causing problem.
did you try it alone?
Not yet. I have to finish this patch today. I will send a "working" bug patch this evening.
did you try to reduce all framebuffer size in order to reduce memory usage?
Not yet too. I will try after my work ;) ++
Jack
c
Le 08/01/2016 14:26, Jack a écrit : Hi Cyrille,
Thanx for your answer. I guess I have the part of my patch where there is the problem (i disable the gemhead and there is no more crash). It is attached... ++
Jack
Le 08/01/2016 12:32, cyrille henry a écrit :
there is a "GL: out of memory" in your backtrace.
so i guess a framebuffer can not be created, and gem is not immune to that. even if gem should not crash, there is no way your patch will work as expected in this condition.
cheers c
Le 08/01/2016 12:22, Jack a écrit : To be clear, i am not sure that it is related to Gem, but I use mainly Gem in my patch, and i don't know what is : "in list_prepend_list ()" from gdb ++
Jack
Le 08/01/2016 12:13, Jack a écrit :
> Hello, > > Executing a patch, I get a crash of Pd. My > configuration: Ubuntu 12.04 Pd 0.45.5 Gem 0.93 compiled > jun 30 2013 > > For information : with Pd 0.46.5 and GEM: ver: > 0.93.git 60998f6, I only get a freeze on an other > system (ubuntu 15.10), so it is impossible to get a > backtrace (maybe with a redirection that i never do) . > > > Here the backtrace with Pd 0.45.5 and Gem 0.93 compiled > jun 30 2013 on Ubuntu 12.04 : > > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: RGB/RGB32 > [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: type: BYTE > [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: texunit: 0 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1235x695 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: invalid operation verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: size: 1340x753 verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> RECTANGLE(ARB) > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: RGB/RGB32 > [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: type: BYTE > [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: texunit: 0 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1340x753 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: out of memory GL: invalid framebuffer > operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer > operation verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1328x747 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1328x747 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: out of memory verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: size: 1316x740 verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> RECTANGLE(ARB) > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: RGB/RGB32 > [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: type: BYTE > [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: texunit: 0 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1316x740 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: out of memory GL: invalid framebuffer > operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: size: 1282x721 verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> RECTANGLE(ARB) > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: RGB/RGB32 > [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: type: BYTE > [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: texunit: 0 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1282x721 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: out of memory verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: size: 1247x701 verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> RECTANGLE(ARB) > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: RGB/RGB32 > [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: type: BYTE > [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: texunit: 0 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1247x701 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: invalid operation verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: size: 1212x682 verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> RECTANGLE(ARB) > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: RGB/RGB32 > [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: type: BYTE > [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: texunit: 0 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1212x682 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: invalid operation verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: size: 1177x662 verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> RECTANGLE(ARB) > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: RGB/RGB32 > [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: type: BYTE > [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: texunit: 0 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1177x662 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: invalid operation verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: size: 1166x655 verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> RECTANGLE(ARB) > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: RGB/RGB32 > [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: type: BYTE > [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: texunit: 0 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1166x655 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: invalid operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer > operation verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1154x649 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1154x649 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: invalid operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1131x636 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1131x636 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: invalid operation verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: size: 1119x629 verbose(3): > [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> RECTANGLE(ARB) > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: RGB/RGB32 > [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: type: BYTE > [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: texunit: 0 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: size: 1119x629 > verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: rectangle: 1 -> > RECTANGLE(ARB) verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: format: > RGB/RGB32 [6407/34837] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > type: BYTE [5121] verbose(3): [gemframebuffer]: > texunit: 0 GL: invalid operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation 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invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > GL: invalid framebuffer operation GL: invalid > framebuffer operation GL: invalid framebuffer operation > pd: getbytes() failed -- out of memory > > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. > 0x0810ff1d in list_prepend_list () (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) > (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) > (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) > (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) (gdb) bt #0 > 0x0810ff1d in list_prepend_list () #1 0x080b162f in > outlet_list () #2 0x08115237 in array_get_bang () #3 > 0x080b1517 in outlet_float () #4 0x080b1517 in > outlet_float () #5 0x080f82b9 in pdfloat_bang () #6 > 0x080b1403 in outlet_bang () #7 0x080fb9fa in > trigger_list () #8 0x080fbbc7 in trigger_bang () #9 > 0x080b1403 in outlet_bang () #10 0x080f8400 in > until_float () #11 0x080b1517 in outlet_float () #12 > 0x080f82b9 in pdfloat_bang () #13 0x080b1403 in > outlet_bang () #14 0x080f99f9 in trigger_anything () > #15 0x080af6a5 in pd_typedmess () #16 0x080b16cf in > outlet_anything () #17 0xb78a22a6 in > GemBase::continueRender (this=0x81e2358, > state=0xbffff17c) at GemBase.cpp:167 #18 0xb78a2388 in > GemBase::gem_renderMess (this=0x81e2358, > cache=0x81e0c18, state=0xbffff17c) at GemBase.cpp:155 > #19 0xb78a24cc in gem_MessCallback (argv=0xbfffeab0, > data=0x81e2330, s=<optimized out>, argc=<optimized > out>) at GemBase.cpp:234 ---Type <return> to continue, > or q <return> to quit--- #20 GemBase::gem_MessCallback > (data=0x81e2330, s=0x816e518, argc=2, argv=0xbfffeab0) > at GemBase.cpp:231 #21 0x080af819 in pd_typedmess () > #22 0x080b16cf in outlet_anything () #23 0xb78a22a6 in > GemBase::continueRender (this=0x81e43b0, > state=0xbffff17c) at GemBase.cpp:167 #24 0xb78a2388 in > GemBase::gem_renderMess (this=0x81e43b0, > cache=0x81e0c18, state=0xbffff17c) at GemBase.cpp:155 > #25 0xb78a24cc in gem_MessCallback (argv=0xbfffebf0, > data=0x81e4388, s=<optimized out>, argc=<optimized > out>) at GemBase.cpp:234 #26 GemBase::gem_MessCallback > (data=0x81e4388, s=0x816e518, argc=2, argv=0xbfffebf0) > at GemBase.cpp:231 #27 0x080af819 in pd_typedmess () > #28 0x080b16cf in outlet_anything () #29 0xb78a22a6 in > GemBase::continueRender (this=0x81e2670, > state=0xbffff17c) at GemBase.cpp:167 #30 0xb78a2388 in > GemBase::gem_renderMess (this=0x81e2670, > cache=0x81e0c18, state=0xbffff17c) at GemBase.cpp:155 > #31 0xb78a24cc in gem_MessCallback (argv=0xbfffee20, > data=0x81e2648, s=<optimized out>, argc=<optimized > out>) at GemBase.cpp:234 #32 GemBase::gem_MessCallback > (data=0x81e2648, s=0x816e518, argc=2, argv=0xbfffee20) > at GemBase.cpp:231 #33 0x080af819 in pd_typedmess () > ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---q > Quit > > Any clue ? 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