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From: João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com; Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Cc: Pd List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page
for whom it interests, I was the one putting that list up - a short version of my own xls file made through copy-pasting - and I always agreed that the fixed format was the worse way to nail the "moving target". but I have no knowledge to do it better, so it had to be done that way, and apparently many people did used it (even though it was never complete). if possible, I can help in any way of improving this reference, including taking it down. the only thing I won't do is more copy-pasting, because it is really irrelevant. but as I don't have any batching knowledge, the best I can do is to check for libraries missing meta data (including mine), etc. Or do portuguese desserts for whoever wants to work (http://tinyurl.com/blyqgsc).
for the categorization of the pd objects, I would suggest something else: to expand the list of categories, either with more categories, or with subcategories. the list from vanilla is very general, even for the vanilla objects. To have few categories with too many objects in them isn't really a big help in sorting out the objects. But that would be the discussion of a new thread.
You can see the categories if you scroll down to the bottom of the search plugin. They aren't hierarchical so there's no need for sub-categories.
These are just categories I came up with off the top of my head. Feel free to suggest additions, deletions, better descriptions, or any objects I may have missed.
-Jonathan
On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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From: Ed Kelly morph_2016@yahoo.co.uk To: Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com; Hans-Christoph
Steiner hans@at.or.at
Cc: Pd List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page
OK, no need to fight. This is about a version of Pd-extended that
has been a
very long time coming, that had many issues to resolve, that went
offline and
was unavailable at the start of the workshops I teach. I also
can't get my
students to download a version of Pd-extended that isn't
finished and
won't run on their machine. This is their first experience of
programming.
They'll give up straight away!
Of course. I'm just giving you a beginner's perspective;
it's my own
memory of that perspective that drives me to work on tools which are
currently
only marginally useful to me personally. The supermajority of
discontent
among your students tells me that this perspective hasn't changed
much.
By far, that is currently the fault of the software-- the documentation
is
currently too slim and core pd building blocks (and interface) too
crude
for the question "how do I find more objects" to be anything
like an ancillary
question.
A static out-of-date list is better than nothing, but as far as
potential dev
energy I'd really rather see that put into core docs like the ones
listed
on the bug tracker, which are extremely lacking. That FLOSS list will
hopefully
become obsolete, but the help docs won't-- even if they're
dropped from
Pd-extended they're still publicly available.
-Jonathan
While I have agreed and disagreed with various points in this discussion, I
think Jonathan's two paragraphs above sum up my feelings on this topic too. Jonathan has put together a really great system for help from the meta data to the search plugin, now we need to put actual content and meta data in our help patches and it'll all be findable in a multitude of ways. All this could even be used to generate the static listing in the FLOSS manuals: just take the object name, then get the library and description from the [pd META].
.hc
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