Frank
I agree with you about the sense of community etc. And i hate to sound like a whiner as i really am NOT the developer that alot of the folks on the list are. I tend towards sounding like i am always pissing and moaning about what doesn't work, but i really appreciate all that you folks on this list do. But to be honest i have tried using several of pbd's code over the years, starting with Quasimodo, and i drooled waiting, but never ever got it working right. The same with ardour, it never ever builds for the normal shmoe (ie ME) who wants to experiment. So there is your other fragmentation with audio softwares...artists want tools that work...sometimes right away. These problems with jack i am sure will get fixed but they are too reminiscent of past history.
Soundflower already works with pd. Bam. done.
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 12:33 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Adam Lindsay hat gesagt: // Adam Lindsay wrote:
Frank Barknecht said this at Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:56:40 +0100:
But doesn't Soundflower do anything else than the Jack Tools from http://www.jackosx.com/ ? Pd should be able to work out of the box with the CoreAudio-Jack wrapper included in the Jack Tools, or doesn't it?
To be honest, I don't know. I was very interested when I heard about Jack Tools being released, but it's not very clear on what it does and how it does it. I've just installed it now (need to restart to test).
The soundflower download is considerably smaller, so I have faith in it as a small, light shim, and I got it going with minimal effort. More choice can't hurt!
Well, as a Linux user, of course I am biased. I don't think, that fragmentation in this area (sound output, routing between apps) will benefit the general cause: more interoperability. I wished, that Cycling and Matt would have put their efforts into making Jack run on OS-X, instead of writing another software that basically does the same, but is not as powerful (yet, maybe). I see Jack as one major achievement of the Linux audio scene, that deserves more widespread use in applications (although I still cannot use it very well with Pd...)
ciao
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