it seems like this would also depend on automatically saving the parent at loadtime or closetime though
-----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Shader sebfumaster@aol.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at pd-list@lists.iem.at Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2022 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [PD] [random] and seed value
well it used to be the case that it was difficult to save per-abstraction parameters. with the addition of [savestate]I don't think that's as much of a factor anymore.
In the past you could have a simple abstraction that could increment a value held in a message box to supply a different seed everytime a patch was loaded. But now you could do basically the same with [savestate] I think. (and don't have to store save state outside the abstraction yourself) of course the most common suggestion is to use [date] and [time] from zexy. maybe the better solution is to put those objects into vanilla.. because such an abstraction would be very simple also.
-seb -----Original Message----- From: Peter P. peterparker@fastmail.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2022 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [PD] [random] and seed value
Hi Thomas,
- Thomas Mayer thomas@residuum.org [2022-12-11 21:20]:
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My guess is, that most users probably expect at least different seed values every time.
Maybe the help file should explicitely state the behaviour or a different way for deriving the initial seed should be used, e.g. taking the local time. Or a better PRNG could be used as well.
If we take the solution to initialize [random] with a different seed each time, an explanation on how to revert to the old behaviour of a seed value of 1489853723 should be mentioned in the help.
I think the main thing to worry about is if any of the patches written in the last 20+ years will stop working in the way intended by a such a modification.
I loosely remember that someone somewhen showed how to get a different seed every time using an abstraction. If such a solution exists in vanilla Pd, it could be added as a solution to the docs perhaps?
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