hi tim
it is certainly not the goal to make things more complicated nor to
include less stuff. what i propose is just to move the externals out
of the package into a more accessible, managable and natural (for osx
users) place, plus to modularize externals a bit (standard/gem/pdp/
flext/...). this way it will be easier to upgrade pd and different
external packages independantly from each other.
lorenz
Am 24.10.2005 um 09:40 schrieb Ti Bo:
I beg to differ.
I must say that after doing a lot of annoying copying and shifting
and all that, that the semisimplicity of Hans' installer has been wonderful. And
because I just tried PixelTango, I was impressed that even more things are
installed automagically.It would, however, be good to have instructions of how to update
easily.cheers,
tim
On Oct 24, 2005, at 9:24 AM, Lorenz Schori wrote:
hi hans & james, hi list
i appreciate the efforts you two do for packing pd for osx. pd- extended really helped me to jump into pd a little while ago.
however allow me to give some comments:
- the osx package is not the right place for externals. i suggest
using standard "Library/Application Support" directory. 2. it does not make much sense to distribute all externals
together. while it is okay for standard ones (the ones in the
build system), pdp, gem, flext and other complex packages will
likely have to be updated/changed in closer intervals. i propose to just provide pd core with standard externals
(identical to millers distribution) + better tcl/tk, packing only
externals and tell the user to install those into the right place.
then a simple install script wrapping "defaults write" (as a
suggested before) would make sure that the path and lib settings
in pd point to the right place. i did not look into the
documentation mechanism of pd, so i think there will be the real
problem of my approach.comments welcome.
cheers lorenz
Am 24.10.2005 um 06:24 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
Lots of good fixes, thanks Jamie. I'll be incorporating them
into the main build system soon. Some comments:
- When I use the Help->Browser menu, it seems to be copying a ton
of files each time I use the menu. I know that Miller introduced
this hack for Mac OS X with 0.39, but it seems to have gone wild
with pd++.
- It runs for me on 10.3.9, including Gem, but I can't get the
new Gem window behavior to work. For me, its still the old- style, Cmd-click to move and never gain focus.
- can you post how you compiled pdp/pidip somewhere? Ideally, I
think we'd import a stable version of pdp into the CVS
(currently, it seems to be pdp 0.12.2) so this could become part
of the standard build system..hc
On Oct 21, 2005, at 12:37 PM, james tittle wrote:
http://homepage.mac.com/tigital
...in the puredataStuff directory there is an archive containing
pd++0.39-1Beta.tgz...this is built in a similar way to Hans'
releases, but includes a ton of fixes, such as:
- the flext system is now working, but only xsample/dyn~/pool
included atm
- uses tcl/tk 8.4.10
- 10.4.x only, as far as I can tell
- pdp 0.12.4 & pidip 0.12.19 both included (static linked libs)!
mainly used via the pdp/gem bridges, but [pdp_glx] should also
work...also don't forget [pdp_ieee1394] for video input, with
fixes (more to come)
- pdp2gem, gem2pdp, pix_2pdp
- latest gem, zexy, miXed, cyclone cvs
- gem window is now "frontable", so it [gemmouse] works (and it
generally behaves like a real window should)
- tons of externals from cvs: I'll try to produce a list
...comments welcome! Especially interested to see if this fixes
some "slow interface" problems people have complained about of
late...l8r, james
ps: as soon as I can sort out a problem with scons, devel_0_39
will be available (and of course desiredata after that!)
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