Hallo, Mike McGonagle hat gesagt: // Mike McGonagle wrote:
On 10/12/06, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
I would really recommend to upgrade to a list-enabled Pd. It has enlightement included.
Frank, what's "enlightenment"?
Good question.
I'll try to limit my answer to [list]: Studying and using [list] is a good way to understand the message system of Pd (meta-messages etc.) not only theoretically, but by making actual use of it. One step on the road to enlightenment could be to use [list prepend] instead of [swap]. Then you may start to replace a lot more objects in your patches with variants of [list]. For example most of the time I was using [symbol] in the past I'm now using [list].
An important step may be to put [list trim] in front of most instances of [route] you use, because this leads to the next bigger step:
Which is to realize that by letting messages pass through a [list] object they enter a realm where all messages are list-messages and start to be very nice and friendly to each other. Here the real message-work can be done in a way, that simply feels good, because everyone understands each other.
By sending them through a [list trim] later on they leave this friendly world and start to become very powerful, but also possibly dangerous meta-messages. It's a cruel world out there, but you already know that there also is a different one.
Maybe then the final step would be to use Lisp instead of Pd. Or Forth.
Or just to ignore my silly ramblings and listen to a Joanna Newsom record instead. ;)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__