On 01/02/2013 06:27 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: Pd List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page
On Jan 1, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at To: Pd List pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: [PD] translate the Start Here! page
I just had another thought as for a way to provide more native-language
help
in Pd-extended. In the Help menu is the "Start Here!" item
which
takes you to http://puredata.info/docs/StartHere. I've made it possible to set
that URL
in the translation, so there can be
http://puredata.info/docs/PourCommencer and
http://puredata.info/docs/%E3%81%93%E3%81%93%E3%81%8B%E3%82%89%E5%A7%8B%E3%8... etc. That page is a short wiki page to tell people where they can get more help for learning Pd in
their
native language.
Also, that link could point to any webpage, it doesn't need to be puredata.info. But it should be a community oriented site where people
can
edit the page to improve it, IMHO.
To change the URL in your language, edit the translation: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/puredata/resource/pd-extended/
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You should update that page before encouraging translation. Otherwise the translators will include links to unmaintained projects like the Pd
FLOSS
Manual as has already happened.
Which link do you think should be removed? There isn't an official maintainer to the FLOSS Manuals english book, but its still quite good.
The FLOSS Pure Data Manual has a big, static, unmaintainable list of objects by category that gets more out of date every time pd-extended drops or adds a library.
Example of how this problem manifests itself: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/82173/focus=8...
Notice that this user presumably followed a very reasonable path to finding objects: puredata.info -> FLOSS Manual -> FLOSS Manual Object List -> broken objects in his/her instance of Pd.
Also notice that a large portion of the FLOSS Manual object list doesn't even specify what library the externals belong to.
Also notice that the specific objects which the user asked about weren't even updated in the manual after the thread had ended, nor to date.
Also notice that neither you nor I are the least bit interested in fixing these problems in the FLOSS manual, and we're especially not interested in taking it on as a long term project. Who does that leave? If it leaves anyone wouldn't their time be better spent fixing the doc problems listed on the tracker than etching in stone a description of a moving target?
That listing is indeed problematic, but I think most of the problems could be addressed by better describing what that listing is. For example, the user in that thread was not aware of how to load libraries, i.e. [import] or [declare -lib]. That's something that should be described in that book anyhow.
I'm very much interested in maintaining the FLOSS manuals book, and I've contributed to it in the past. These days, my time for Pd is quite limited. But I will try to find time to update key bits like that.
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