This is more like iemguts: properties of abstractions. Jonathan's proposal includes that, but also global things. IMHO, iemguts is the most Pd-ish because its a library of simple objects rather than a single absattr mega-object with attributes (Max/MSP style) or messages via send/receive.
.hc
On Nov 18, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Thomas Grill wrote:
Hi all, i can't read in detail the whole thread, but just a remark:
I think what you have in mind is close to the idea of patcher attributes in Max, where you'd have a [pattrhub] object in the abstraction and you can either ask it for built-in object attributes or [pattr] patcher variables.
I implemented a similar idea already some years ago with the [absattr] object, which was extensively used in the vibrez project. It connect to the concept of flext-style attributes. It's here: https://svn.grrrr.org/ext/trunk/absattr
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Am 17.11.2011 um 19:42 schrieb Miller Puckette:
This leads to an interesting larger design issue. I've so far resisted the idea of using send/receive as a back channel for getting return values because of the unreadablity of the resulting patch. So, for instance, samplerate~ just puts the sample rate on its outlet. The other way, assuming you want locality, would be to confect a unique symbol name and then somehow to "receive" it (I'm not even sure that's possible without making a self-editing patch).
But there are other situation which seem to beg for the "receive" solution. For example you have a complicated object like textfile and you just want to query it as to how many lines it has.
although it's migraine-inducing, the neatest solution would be to allow "info" style objects to have a right-hand outlet that you connect to, say, the "textfile" object like so:
[get linecount( | | [textfile -reference] | | | [textfile] V [15<
(where "15" would be the number of lines in the lower textfile object). I think Krzystof Chaya did something like this in his wonderful "xeq" object (first Pd convention, Graz.)
cheers Miller
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 01:01:50PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I like "info" too, maybe [pd info(. I like Jonathan's ordering because it also makes it easy to have a default receive symbol, so :
[;pd info(
would dump all the info to:
[receive pd] | [route info]
Then you could also specify specific things to request:
[; pd info dsp(
would dump:
[receive pd] | [route info] | [route dsp]
As for GUI-related things, I think 'pd-gui' should have its own 'pd-gui' receive listener, so you direct GUI-related stuff to [send pd-gui].
.hc
On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Unfortunately I already used the name "get" for something else but I agree this should be an object, maybe 'get-info" or even just "info". It could get and/or set info about the canvas it's in as well as about other canvases (by name) and Pd globally.
cheers Miller
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 03:12:08PM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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On 2011-11-17 15:09, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2011-11-17 14:53, Patrice Colet wrote: > Hello, > would this method provide patch window size and position?
> [; pd get size pd-mpatch.pd rcv_name( > [; pd get pos pd-mpatch.pd rcv_name(
now we are getting close to why i think using "get <rcvname> ..." is better than "get <verb> <rcvname>"
but of course jonathan and roman are right when they say that this is not something you would ask "pd" about.
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