You will get poor results using anything less than 8.5. There are
serious bugs in the 8.4 branch, especially with font handling on GNU/
Linux. If you are on a Debian system, you can do:
apt-get install tcl8.5 tk8.5 update-alternatives wish
Then choose wish8.5. Pd 0.42 should be fine with 8.5.
.hc
On Aug 25, 2010, at 5:50 PM, cyrille henry wrote:
8.4.19 c
Le 25/08/2010 22:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Which wish are you using?
$ wish % info patchlevel 8.5.8
.hc
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 22:30 +0200, cyrille henry wrote:
hello,
withubuntu 10.04
pd -noprefs -> the message box are higher than the text pd -noprefs -font-face "andale mono" solve the problem
so, andale mono is here, but not used...
here is the result of your script.
linespace ascent descent font name
13 11 2 msbm10 13 11 2 webdings 13 11 2 fixed 18 15 3 lucidatypewriter 19 14 5 courier 10 pitch 13 11 2 cmsy10 21 17 4 andale mono 14 11 3 clean 17 13 4 terminal 16 14 2 gothic 13 11 2 cmr10 13 11 2 wenquanyi zenhei 16 14 2 song ti 37 15 22 open look cursor 13 11 2 cmex10 16 14 2 mincho 13 11 2 msam10 18 14 4 courier 13 11 2 inconsolata 16 16 0 nil 13 11 2 cmmi10 16 14 2 fangsong ti 20 16 4 dotum 28 17 11 courier new 18 14 4 nimbus mono l 20 16 4 batang 13 11 2 wasy10
Cyrille
Le 25/08/2010 21:39, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
I figured out the cause. The problem is caused by the font used
being different than the font that fits into the standardized boxes.
If you have the margin problem or the offset clicking problem then your
Tcl/Tk is not used "DejaVu Sans Mono" or "Andale Mono", the two fonts I
have found that fit into the standard box size.Other fonts have different ratios of height to width, and when Pd
uses a different font, it tries to size it larger to fit the DejaVu Sans
Mono. Also Tcl/Tk 8.4 does a bad job of font handling on GNU/Linux/ X11. 8.5 is better but different than 8.4.The DejaVu fonts are the standard fonts for GNOME and are
included in all major distros, so those seem the natural font to standardize
on. Also, DejaVu Sans Mono looks pretty good.To get an idea, run the attached script with your wish. It would
be quite useful if people would post the results of that script here
so we can see what fonts are commonly available..hc
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:49 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
By 'margin' I meant that 'the box is larger than the text inside
it so there's a bunch of empty space inside it'... if you don't see that you
won't have the problem I'm having :)M
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 02:45:12PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:Ok, testing now... as for having the boxes with a standardized
size, that's been the case with Pd-extended 0.40 and is also the case
with 0.43 as of now. I'm not sure if I understand your idea about
the margin tho, but an outline in edit mode sounds like a good idea..hc
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:09 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > Sure... here: > > #N canvas 359 131 405 427 10; > #X msg 98 55 ; line 1 ; line 2 ; line 3 ; line 4 ; line 5
> ; line > 6 ; line 7 ; line 8 ; line 9 ; line 10 ; line 11 ; line
> 12 ; > line 13 ; line 14 ; line 15 ; line 16 ; line 17 ; line 18
> ; line > 19 ; line 20; > > On my machine the text box is several (20?) pixels too tall
> and to select > the bottom line of text you have to click way below it. > > I don't see how the thing can be made truly cross-platform
> unless there's > a way to get text to have a determined size (both vertical and
> horizontal) > and that seems to be impossible to get to work cross-platform. > > The only solution I can think of for getting boxes to have
> consistent sizes is > to use Mathieu's suggestion and make the box have a
> standardized size, simply > adding margin when the text font doesn't actually fill it.
> (There's have to > be an outline drawn around comments when the patch is unlocked
> too.) > > cheers > Miller > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:15:11PM -0400, Hans-Christoph
> Steiner wrote: >> >> I think the real solution to this would be one step deeper.
>> If Pd >> used Tcl to handle the GUI interaction, then we could use the
>> Tk >> scaling feature, which is what Tk does to handle cross-platform >> differences in font rendering. Pd could then store the Tk
>> scaling >> number in the patch, and use it to scale internal copies of
>> pixel >> values, when necessary. Then we could have the best of both
>> worlds. >> This would also give us the ability to zoom/scale patches for
>> free. >> >> This is not as hard as it might seem, I believe DesireData
>> has this >> working. I think this would also be quite clean and actually >> simplify Pd's code rather than adding more complexity by
>> tracking >> both when fonts should fit to the box size and when the box
>> size >> should fit to the font. >> >> I'll take a look at the big text block clicking issue now.
>> Do you >> have an example patch? >> >> .hc >> >> >> On Aug 24, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: >> >>> Long as there's a way to fix a problem I'm having: in message >>> boxes with >>> many lines of text, you can easily click on one character and >>> select one above >>> it... it gets very confusing. (Fedora 13 out-of-box). >>> >>> I'm guessing that in the current version the GUI simply
>>> tells Pd >>> what size >>> the font ought to have had instead of the genuine one. Pd
>>> could >>> easily >>> expand the box to the ought-to size (at least optionally for
>>> those >>> wishing >>> to make cross-platform patches) but should know about the
>>> text's >>> actual size >>> anyway. To be continued... >>> >>> cheers >>> Miller >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 01:21:08AM -0400, Hans-Christoph
>>> Steiner >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 01:39:08PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard
>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> BTW I've been using Pd-Extended's Linux/OSX default font >>>>>> size as the >>>>>> basis for all my patches for making my last 400 patches
>>>>>> or so. >>>>> >>>>> I've used Pd vanilla for all my patches so far, with a "10" >>>>> font-size, >>>>> whatever that is in pixels. I know, that Pd-extended uses
>>>>> some >>>>> different >>>>> layout for several years now, which makes patches look wrong >>>>> when you >>>>> load them in Pd vanilla and the other way around. I have
>>>>> not much >>>>> interest to discuss the differences between vanilla and Pd- >>>>> x, >>>>> as I am >>>>> hoping the two to unify again with the gui-rewrite. So I'm >>>>> willing to >>>>> change my preferences to whatever will be the new vanilla,
>>>>> but I'd >>>>> prefer to not do again that with every release or with
>>>>> every new >>>>> Courier-like font that pops up on the Internets' Top 10
>>>>> console font >>>>> lists and is so much better than the previous ones. >>>> >>>> >>>> Unless Miller changes it in the future, Pd 0.43 should have
>>>> the same >>>> boxes sizes that Pd-extended has had for a couple
>>>> versions. That >>>> was one of my goals with the GUI rewrite. Its a bug if
>>>> that's not >>>> the case. >>>> >>>> .hc >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin
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