hi,
I like your cute-poly~, it is fun. Any doubts I have are of more general
nature. And I would be happy to sort out these things for the future, to
give more stability in time' (shell I say:more permanent status'?) to
the work composers are patching in Pd.
Take a look, if you wish, to the attached new version of notsocute.pd (untested), which deal with some of the difficulties you pointed out. Finally, allow me to add few remarks to your explanation:
pix wrote: ...
mainly because poly only lets you send through two parameters...
As in my notsocute.pd example, one can always send more parameters separately to the voice that currently awaits them.
and also how does it recycle the voices in the pool? it doesn't know when they have finished.
to do stuff like grainsynth, you need to be able to recycle free voices straight away (without having to stop all notes, which i think it what you have to do with poly).
You are right, poly works the MIDI-way, so one has to cheat it somehow. There is such cheating in my example, the `extended-poly' subpatch (it is ugly).
poly could probably be fiddled with to make it more useful (or should i just say, general) - for example, taking a message that will kill a given voice number (that the voice can send when it is finished).
That would make PureData's poly incompatible with max, but indeed, making such an extended poly-alike would save much trouble (and is very easy btw).
and you could even squeeze some self-mod patch in there for making the building of the voice-pool less painful (i'd rather not make 100 voices by hand - especially with extra wrapper-logic for signalling back to poly).
Since with global callback (killme' s/r in my example) you do not need to make any local connections, creating 100 voices is not a pain. You can automate this through some sort of self-mod mechanism, as increate-your-voices' subpatch in my example, but anyway it is safer to
do this only once, and not each time your patch is loading.
Krzysztof
ps. I will be out of reach (and away from Pd) for the next few days. Then I will start adding midifile interface to qlist, if nobody stops me :)
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