Hallo, Thomas Grill hat gesagt: // Thomas Grill wrote:
Which means that there are at least three such systems (guess what i wrote pool for initially....)
Oh, I forgot you, of course. ;) There also is state saving in IEM and in this large abstraction collection whose name I always forget.
Anyway apart from your unpublished collection which I don't know I think (but might be wrong), that rradical/memento is the only (published) one which actually handles hierarchies. (I suppose, yours will or does handle this, too.) For example I have a adsr patch, which could be used stand-alone, but can also be used inside other rradical patches with full state saving and OSC control. I do this for example in rrad.fm2~.pd
This is an important advantage over the preset in Max or [state] in GGEE.
And: Memento is very easy to use even for Pd beginners. The manual only contains three simple rules:
- create an [originator $1 $0],
- cross-connect things needing save with [commun /yourName $0] objects.
- Use your abstractions with a unique first argument starting with a /slash.
This simplicity is very intentional. State saving must not hurt, it must feel natural, while still being flexible enough even for uses the designer did not think of in advance.
In the end I hope, Memento will die because Pd offers something similar built in. So Memento is just a working suggestion how state saving and remote control could feel.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__