On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Damian Stewart wrote:
Ilias Anagnostopoulos wrote:
Hello IOhannes,
Actually, I've been wondering about this myself. What do you mean
with "configure the window manager"? As in people changing this
manually on their computer settings, or as in hard-coded in the PD code?The vast majority of applications have pop-ups appearing on top of
old windows, except from PD, on the same computer. Does it have to do
with tk/tcl?-Ilias
This kind of behavior is largely controlled by Tcl/Tk, which has
pretty good tools for handling it, and making things feel natural on
each platform. This is the kind of stuff I want to tackle next.
there's something severly busted with Pd's usage of Tcl/Tk. under
Ubuntu i have Alt-` rigged up as my cycle-between-windows-of-an-application key (like Alt-Tab but restricted to windows of the current
application), and it works on every application except for Pd.
the same problem is present with Pd-Vanilla on OSX (as in, the
Apple-key doesn't cycle through Pd windows), and is half-broken on Pd-extended (Apple-works until you hit the main Pd window, then it breaks).
Yeah, Pd doesn't look at the global GNOME settings. I suppose it
would be possible to have it check the GNOME settings. One thing
that I want to do is work on tighter GNOME integration, so perhaps
that would be a good thing to do.
But if you want to add the Alt-` binding its quite easy. In pd.tk
around line 1676, you will see this:
if {$pd_nt == 2} {
bind $name.c <Mod1-Key> {pdtk_canvas_ctrlkey %W %K 0}
bind $name.c <Mod1-Shift-Key> {pdtk_canvas_ctrlkey %W %K 1}
bind $name.c <Mod1-BackSpace> {pdtk_canvas_sendkey %W 1 %K %
A 0} bind $name.c <Mod1-quoteleft> {menu_raisenextwindow} }
Change it to look like this and you'll have Alt-` as you like:
if {$pd_nt == 2} {
bind $name.c <Mod1-Key> {pdtk_canvas_ctrlkey %W %K 0}
bind $name.c <Mod1-Shift-Key> {pdtk_canvas_ctrlkey %W %K 1}
bind $name.c <Mod1-BackSpace> {pdtk_canvas_sendkey %W 1 %K %
A 0} bind $name.c <Mod1-quoteleft> {menu_raisenextwindow} } else { bind $name.c <Alt-quoteleft> {menu_raisenextwindow} }
Hans-Cristoph Steiner, Chun Lee, and myself (where i can) are in
the early planning stages of a project to rebuild pd.tk to take care of some
of these issues, and to clean things up to make them more easily extensible.
more people are welcome to join in the fun, post on pd-dev if you like.
It is true that we having been talking about this for a while, a lot
of these discussions have been off of lists because there are some
sensitive politics that we wanted to avoid inflaming. But as far as
I know, everyone is cool with it, so I think now is the time to open
things up and make it a community effort.
.hc
d
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