hi, I recognized a - as i think - strange behaviour of filling $1-variables in subpatches with the "tabread4~"-object. I tried to pass a symbol as argument to a subwindow ("pd subpatch argument-xyz") and in the subpatch i have "tabread4~ $1". But However, this does work with abstractions... Also, "tabread4~ $1-table" never takes a number ("tabread4~ 1007-table"), even if it is in an abstraction. But: "tabread4~ $0-table" is ok. I think, I can live with all of those things, but it took some time to figure out (sanityŽs sake...!?). Or did I make a mistake? marius.