Looks nice. It looks like the MaxPlugin is an mxj, so you should be
able to use it with pdj. pdj is a free clone of mxj. So you could
just package up pdj with the Field MaxPlugin and distribute that as
the PdPlugin.
.hc
On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Luke Iannini wrote:
Yo all,
I don't know if any of you have seen Field?
It's an /extremely/ cool environment/sequencing canvas that I think
would be hugely useful to use with Pd. I'll let them explain it: http://openendedgroup.com/field/wiki/OverviewBanners2They very recently created a "MaxPlugin" which quite impressively
integrates Max with Field. http://openendedgroup.com/field/wiki/MaxPluginI thought it would be nice to get them on the path to doing the same
with Pd - see the conversation below. Anyone have any ideas on the
matter?Luv Luke
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From: Luke lukexipd@gmail.com Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:45 PM To: Field-development field-development@googlegroups.com
Yo guys, I saw your MaxPlugin, which looks incredible. I just wanted to suggest also taking a look at the open source older brother of Max, Pure Data (the continuation of Max/MSP by Miller S Puckette, the original developer)
http://puredata.info/ http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html (IRC) http://wiki.dataflow.ws/DataFlow
Pd has a nascent concept called "Data Structures" that allow creation of graphical scores directly representing their underlying data – it seems to me Field is that from 100 years in the future, so it would be a very natural marriage.
I'd love to help with this where I can.
Best Luke
From: Marc Downie marc@openendedgroup.com Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM To: field-development@googlegroups.com
That's a very good idea — the truth is Max/MSP's proprietary-ness
(and it's difficult copy protection) is not good.What's the Java embedding story in Pd like? We are using mxj to poke
a hole in Max that Field enters through.Marc.
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From: Al Matthews prolepsis@gmail.com Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:58 PM To: field-development@googlegroups.com
Cool I was wondering about that. On behalf of maybe others like me
only laxly tracking source at the moment, I'll add this request for
a bit of technical spec, about the MAX plugin as it presently stands.More generally, is Field's timeline available or conceived here as a
sort of scheduling supplement for MAX events? Scheduling seems
historically a kind of weakness of MAX for composition, until you
add java or whatnot.Also a bump for the PD. Al Matthews, Programmer Support Specialist
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From: Marc Downie marc@openendedgroup.com Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 1:16 PM To: field-development@googlegroups.com
As always, more doc's are on the todo-list.
But the trick is essentially this. mxj — which is a standard box in
Max — lets you instantiate java objects. We provide two — one that
does the bookkeeping and network communication (MaxFieldRoot) and
another that wraps up a Jython environment (MaxField).The source for both of these is inside /extras/maxfieldMXJ — there
isn't much to them.MaxFieldRoot knows the names (that is what max calls the "scripting
names") of all MaxField objects in a patch (and subpatches) and it
opens two OSC ports for communication with Field.MaxField objects when loaded get Jython up and running and execute a
startup script that provides some functionality (like the magic
function that makes autocomplete work) — this script is maxfield/ __init__.pyField's side of the bargain is to capture attempts to execute things
inside boxes that are marked as "bridged to max" and, rather than
executing them, sends them via OSC to Root which then dispatches
them to the appropriate MaxField box which then executes the Python
code. So sticking a bunch of Field boxes in a timeline and scrubbing
them "scrubs" the sending and execution of code in Max. You could
probably build less latency-prone and more accurate timing as well
using this (you'd send all the box positions over to Max and use
it's timing stuff). But this works well for our uses right now.This code is field.extras.max.MaxExecution. You'll find it's a lot
like the ProcessingPlugin — which defers execution of python code
not to a separate process but just later in time — until we are
"inside" the draw() method of the Processing Applet.So, basically, we need to be able to run just a little bit of Java
(and in turn all of Jython) inside Pd to bootstrap the whole thing.Any Pd Java experts out there?
Marc.
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