thanks, i'll check that patch out, on the ggee front though i think i immediately investigated it when i heard of the envgen object (i have a peculiar obsession with drawn envelopes) but i think i found that it was linux only or that it contained no binaries or something (i have yet to find time to learn how to compile - it should be pretty simple but i think my computer has issues with compilers and havent sorted it out becuase i dont think it would be a good use of my time at the moment) but i think i'll look into it again just in case.
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