Alas, I must use Windows Xp as well... Anyway I have switched since about two months to having the taskbar at the top of the screen, meaning that when I create a new patch it is placed at absolute 0,0 "absolute" with the title-bar behind the taskbar (even with "always on top" option). Any tcl/tk guru know of a hack in the pd.tk file to have the new windows positioned at 0,0 "relative" to the taskbar or alternatively just sligtly offset down? Thanks, Lorenzo