Re: [PD] Binfile (was Turning non-audio data feeds into audio)

14 Oct 2009

      In Pd-extended 0.41.4, just load it like this:  [mrpeach/binfile].

Its included.
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On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:49 PM, Jerome Covington wrote:
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Done, I the file named binfile.pd_darwin in the PD app package in

the directory path you provided. Should I name the file something

else? I'm on an Intel Mac. Still no audio though I can see in the

log window that messages are being sent when I use your binDATApayer

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM, alan.dubdub@googlemail.com wrote:
Im on a mac so everything is hidden inside the app package, which is

a folder really.
I go to application> right click/ ctrl click on the file and select

"show content" then put the binary in contents/resources/extra
If you on linux it should be work the same (being Unix and all) but

not sure about windows i am afraid
Does anyone have any suggestions to get binfile.pd working on

windows / linux??
marius.
On 13 Oct 2009 02:21, Jerome Covington <info@thespacebetweenthewords.org
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I can't seem to find this directory.
~/pd/contents/resources/extra
Should I create that directory structure myself? And if so where
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, alan brooker alan.dubdub@googlemail.com 
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darn! I think it may have something to do with the binfile.pd
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an external from Mr.Peaches-for some reason the binary doesn't get
found by PD- I attach a copy for OSX- if you add it to
~/pd/contents/resources/extra (don't put in in the the mrpeach
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because cant find it). I m not too sure where binaries are for other
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Basically If the binfile gets working it is a good way to make sound
based on computer data, as opposed to just playing the raw file of a
jpeg -thank for looking :)
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Hey, I can get the visualization to work, but not the
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:53 PM, The Space Between the Words
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Thanks, Alan!
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I will take a look at your binary conversion patch first chance
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On Oct 11, 2009, at 7:40 PM, alan brooker alan.dubdub@googlemail.com
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it's better if you can recognise the stock price in the music,
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because if you can't, you could have taken that data from
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else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it
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music then?...
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I agree fully- the point in which  the output is true to it's
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and making something sound good is tricky and down to skill-
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I worked on a simple patch that created audio from binary data
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loaded files and I am  trying to make good sounds from the
patch in
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different ways continually- half the fun though!(a work in
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contains osx app and pd patch for other os- uses Mr.Peaches
binfile):
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http://databodega.googlecode.com/files/bin_data_application.macosx%20.zip
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On 10/11/09, Jerome Covington
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Excellent, Mathieu.
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I have a lifetime of experience in music to inform the
aesthetics well.
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Now I just need more on the "how", and to that extent I am very
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in process within this community.
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Jerome Covington wrote:
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> Is anyone interested in sharing their process for turning
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>> non-audio data feeds, into music? See a great example of
one possible
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> Coïncidentally, I wrote some thoughts about it in the Pd
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> basically, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.
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> the exception to that is that a programme is a kind of data
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> downplays the incoming garbage, it can make the output
meaningful;
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> music like what you are talking about... sort of like
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> now this is what I add to my above thoughts, this time in
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> the video: without necessarily explicitly thinking about
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> theory,
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> one can get to interesting results intuitively... one
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> Any former stock-market music I had listened to sounded like
crap. What
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> Patrick did was to make his programme insert so much beauty
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> the market's noise, that it made it sound meaningful...
actually, it's
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> like this: the programme can only output music that sounds
reasonably
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> no matter the input, and the meaningless input selects one
of the
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> nice-sounding outputs. Overall, the music is more shaped by
Patrick's
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> æsthetic decisions than by the stock market, and it's
perfect like
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> so, Jérôme, I would mostly just suggest that you make
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> if you can make the input also recognisable in the output,
it's a bonus
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> feature that can feel very rewarding, but it depends on the
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> feeding stockmarket data it may not matter as much, but for
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> data from performers or visitors, they have to recognise
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> the music, else the point is going to be lost on them,
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> stockmarket data, it's better if you can recognise the stock
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> else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it
stockmarket music
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> that you will also enjoy this reflexion on the question of
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> | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone:
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"define audio development"
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Jerome Covington
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"define audio development"
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Jerome Covington
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"define audio development"
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Re: [PD] Binfile (was Turning non-audio data feeds into audio)