a book, or at least we should improve the tutorial situation. is there a google summer of documentation? collecting/creating/restructuring the tutorials section (wiki.blender.org is a good example) - I still would like to see this closely related to pdpedia. tutorials - forums - mailinglist (incl. archive) - pdpedia - gallery - other resources; there *must* be a better way to structure these. marius.
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
This all makes me think that we should write a Pd book that covers
things like good form. Perhaps we could make it a decentralized
collaborative effort with strange consensus decisionmaking to mirror
the Pd community :D.hc
On Jan 12, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Jamie Bullock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 11:29 -0800, Dudley Brooks wrote:
Can anyone direct me to articles on constructing clear, modular, non-spaghetti patches in pd or other visual dataflow languages? Especially if the articles derive their recommendations from
theoretical analysis (as with the investigations that led to structured
programming in imperative languages), rather than just rules-of-thumb -- although the latter are useful also.You might find this document interesting if not helpful:
http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/13474
Or is some amount of spaghetti unavoidable in dataflow languages, perhaps because it is inherent in the situation being modeled, rather than being an artifact of the language?
Personally, I find that there is an idiomatic way to use most
languages, which is congruous with the way the language is designed. Of course, people may want to deliberately subvert this relationship, but I guess that's different from using something in an unidiomatic way and not being aware of the fact.Although, I think Frank wrote these in a non-didactic spirit, I find Franks 'dogmas' very helpful for clear and idiomatic Pd patching:
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-04/049447.html
I have also found Frank's 'footils' collection of abstractions to
be an excellent source of idioms and examples of how to make clear and coherent patches.I must stress that I'm not suggesting that this is the 'correct'
way to patch, I just personally find it to be clear, elegant and spaghetti avoiding!best,
Jamie
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