--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
From: Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 12:04 PM Hallo, Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org
wrote:
Hey, all I said is that *I* am not the right
person to do
that.
If that's all you had said, I doubt anyone would have
replied with
anything other than "ok."
And now I'm curious: why can't you create all the
objects in that
patch? If some of those objects don't create in
pd-ext on win/macos/
linux, at the very least the patch should be changed
so that they are
removed (or replaced with ascii art).
But if it's that you just prefer using pd-vanilla and
don't want to
download/install pd-ext, why not just say that?
Some history:
I was involved in early PDDP discussions (around 2005) as well, so PDDP isn't new to me. I dropped out of PDDP for various reasons after a while. Besides the endless discussion about template layout etc. another reason for my retreat was, that the help system started to require certain externals (pddp_link). I believe, a general purpose help file template should not require objects not available in all major Pd distributions. Help files should be accessible to everyone. I wasn't alone with this view, see: http://puredata.info/dev/pddp/2005-11-22-pddp_meeting.txt for example. Some other PDDP contributors didn't have a problem with that. I can accept that, but obviously I had to stop contributing at that point. Some other early participants also dropped out, some for similar reasons IIRC.
While I'm surely guilty of some anti-Pd-extended puritanism, my retreat from PDDP didn't have anything to do with it. It has a different story.
(I'm sorry for saying "pd-extended docs" in my previous mail, it should have been "PDDP docs".)
Thanks, that clarifies some things.
So if [pddp_link] is removed, and external objects are given as comments in ascii art, would you have any other issues with pddp? (I don't see template layout as a problem because I've been revising all the reference files to conform to one standard, and I can't imagine someone objecting to using them because they don't like the colors or whatever. But the template looks pretty much like the one for [float] in pd-ext.)
[pddp-link] is currently used for pdpedia links, and links to tutorials and other pddp docs. Currently [pddp-link] throws an ugly error msg in windows, although after you close the error message window the link works. I've been spot checking the links from help files to pdpedia, and of 200 help patches roughly 0% of the pdpedia links add anything to what's already in the help patch. If I remove those links then it's just a matter of converting all the "More info" links to comments and voila, no more [pddp-link].
At some point, it would be nice to have either [pddp-link] in all distributions, or have the ability to links within pd comments (actually that would be much more useful in my opinion).
-Jonathan
Ciao
Frank
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