Just switch to linux and everything works better. pidip, GEM everything. I woudl love pdp/pidip to work on OSX completely too but people only seem to have so much time to devote.
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---- John Harrison john.harrison@alum.mit.edu wrote:
Are you sure Gem is more stable? From my last project I feel very burned by Gem. I started coding the visuals 100% in Gem and through much pulling of my own hair gradually ended up redoing the project in pdp/pidip. The end result was stable (the Gem version wasn't --- multiple objects were crashing each individually tested and I had random freezes from different machines using Gem), looked a lot better, and used considerably less CPU resources. This was all in Linux.
And for me Gem also breaks many coding conventions of Pd.
I'm not trying to trash Gem. I have the utmost respect for its developers. I don't doubt it will be phenomenal with time and I wish to support its continued development. But I am hesitant to recommend it while it is in its current, perhaps unfinished, state. Example and test patches work fine but outside of that realm my experiences have not been positive. I have plans to document the problems I had and my thoughts about the coding conventions. It's possible I'm misunderstanding some things and/or maybe my concerns will help for future development.
In terms of the Windows port idea of pdp/pidip, it's just a way for people to play around at home. I'm not concerned about optimization which is why I mentioned cygwin as an option. The final show will be on Linux machines, no doubt.
I'd hate to move out of the Pd environment for video but that may be my next step if this doesn't work out. Maybe Processing...
-John
Derek Holzer wrote:
Hi John,
Well, I know what Yves' response to this will be ;-)
At any rate, I'd suggest GEM over PDP anyways, you can do most of the same things, it's truly cross-platform (i.e. has optimizations for each different architecture/processor, rather than PDP which is optimized for Linux + x86 only), it's much better documented and it's much more stable. According to the PDP and PiDiP authors, neither library will ever be ported to Windows.
best! Derek
John Harrison wrote:
Wondering if there has been any exploration of any of the pdp/pidip objects in win32 ---- maybe even through cygwin.
Personal motivation: I'm teaching a class come mid-Jan where I'd like to incorporate pdp/pidip. Many of the students are on windows and it would be nice if they could do some development on their own machines.
-John
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